Question are video card prices headed down yet?

[Aapje]

It's a positive sign at least. They may be probing attacks to see how positively these prices are received.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Possibly refurbished mining cards Gainward 2060 Super


Local shopkeeper claiming they won't exceed 65C in FurMark...

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Definitely mining cards

Fixed that for you.

As cards collect dust on shelves prices will get better. We were all supposed to hold, but almost no one listened. It's why we can't have nice things.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

I've been eyeing 6600xt performance for $100 shipped for my Steam PC, but the market is pure [redacted] at that price point, even used.

My 980ti continues riding strong into its 9th year of life...

 

[MrTeal]

I've been eyeing 6600xt performance for $100 shipped for my Steam PC, but the market is pure [redacted] at that price point, even used.

My 980ti continues riding strong into its 9th year of life...

Best I can do for $100 is 6600 GT performance.

 

[manly]

Not a spectacular deal but if you need a sub-$250 graphics card, here's one:

PowerColor Fighter Radeon RX 6650 XT 8GB GDDR6 Graphics Card $230 + Free Shipping

Amazon has PowerColor Fighter Radeon RX 6650 XT 8GB GDDR6 Graphics Card (AXRX 6650XT 8GBD6-3DH) on sale for $229.99. Shipping is free. Thanks to Community Member phoinix for sharing this deal. ...

slickdeals.net

 

[bigboxes]

My 980ti continues riding strong into its 9th year of life...

Three years ago, I built the rig in my sig. PC parts were sooooo expensive. All new stuff... except for the video card. Could not justify 2-3x the price of my 1080ti for an upgrade of something comparable. Nope.

 

[justheretobuystuff]

Not a spectacular deal but if you need a sub-$250 graphics card, here's one:

PowerColor Fighter Radeon RX 6650 XT 8GB GDDR6 Graphics Card $230 + Free Shipping

Amazon has PowerColor Fighter Radeon RX 6650 XT 8GB GDDR6 Graphics Card (AXRX 6650XT 8GBD6-3DH) on sale for $229.99. Shipping is free. Thanks to Community Member phoinix for sharing this deal. ...

slickdeals.net

That is good. I have been eyeing 5700xt 8gb at recommendations of other members but it seems they are over 200. They have so many cards close to the same price and performance. The 2060 5700xt 6700 6600xt so confusing what to get. Bought a 6800xt for 400 and fear it will be used by a 7 year old girl and the 5600xt or what ever will be used with 4690s itx small box. But which to get .. used new .. 5700xt have so many dead cards on ebay

 

[blckgrffn]

That is good. I have been eyeing 5700xt 8gb at recommendations of other members but it seems they are over 200. They have so many cards close to the same price and performance. The 2060 5700xt 6700 6600xt so confusing what to get. Bought a 6800xt for 400 and fear it will be used by a 7 year old girl and the 5600xt or what ever will be used with 4690s itx small box. But which to get .. used new .. 5700xt have so many dead cards on ebay

I wouldn't touch a 5700XT anywhere near $200. There have been 6600XTs for $230 new and I think

https://www.amazon.com/PowerColor-Fighter-Radeon-6600-Graphics/dp/B09H3PY14M/ref=asc_df_B09H3PY14M/

On that link is the new 6600 for under $200, and 6650XT for ~$230.

I guess that's the same link as above, but just without the Slickdeals referral. The 6600 is a solid - and fully DX12U compliant - card in my book. Humble power consumption and fast enough.

 

[justheretobuystuff]

I wouldn't touch a 5700XT anywhere near $200. There have been 6600XTs for $230 new and I think

https://www.amazon.com/PowerColor-Fighter-Radeon-6600-Graphics/dp/B09H3PY14M/ref=asc_df_B09H3PY14M/

On that link is the new 6600 for under $200, and 6650XT for ~$230.

I guess that's the same link as above, but just without the Slickdeals referral. The 6600 is a solid - and fully DX12U compliant - card in my book. Humble power consumption and fast enough.

But super Overkill for roblox and minecraft. it should be fine if I can find it under 200 i might as well. Thanks. Now hope the psu is good enough to hold it.

 

[blckgrffn]

But super Overkill for roblox and minecraft. it should be fine if I can find it under 200 i might as well. Thanks. Now hope the psu is good enough to hold it.

Definitely, but it maxes out at about ~140W of power, as long as you've got an 8 pin you are gtg. Very quiet with these big heatsinks. Your case can be modestly ventilated, no need for 6-8 fans and mesh everywhere.

Enable Radeon Chill in the Radeon control panel for all games, in a range of like 60-90 fps. This 6600 will truly sip power in this case and likely the fans won't even turn on.

And it will be great for whatever comes next - Portal Knights is a fun single player game in that vein, I played it with my kiddos because it has some progression but is pretty chill at the same time. Just throwing it out there, Minecraft and Roblox are universes of games in and of themselves, I dropped the ban hammer on Roblox for quite a while at my house because of the GTA like side games they managed to find.

 

[igor_kavinski]

AMD’s Lisa Su steps in to fix driver issues with GPUs in new TinyBox AI servers — firm calls for AMD to make its GPU firmware open source, points to issues with Radeon 7900 XTX

The intervention comes as Tiny Box publicly frets about Radeon-based platform bugs.

www.tomshardware.com

Guys, do you know what happens if AMD fixes these bugs?

Consumer GPUs fly off the shelves, bought by AI startups looking to capitalize on the AI craze.

It'll be the same crap mining misery all over again!

 

[blckgrffn]

AMD’s Lisa Su steps in to fix driver issues with GPUs in new TinyBox AI servers — firm calls for AMD to make its GPU firmware open source, points to issues with Radeon 7900 XTX

The intervention comes as Tiny Box publicly frets about Radeon-based platform bugs.

www.tomshardware.com

Guys, do you know what happens if AMD fixes these bugs?

Consumer GPUs fly off the shelves, bought by AI startups looking to capitalize on the AI craze.

It'll be the same crap mining misery all over again!

Don't worry, the 8GB cards will still be here for us! The smaller the buffer, the less useful it is for AI

Somewhat seriously, I saw that nvidia has halted production on all GTX cores, which means the GTX 1630 and GTX 1650 are going to dry out from retail by the end of Q1 (according to the analyst post I read). I don't hate the RTX 3050 6GB but that might actually be the bottom of the nvidia stack at ~$180.

Remember when IGPs killed all viable new GPUs under $100? Is that bar going to be lifted all the way to ~$180 now? Interesting to watch anyway, IMO.

 

[Ranulf]

Link for the GTX line ending:

NVIDIA discontinues GeForce GTX 16 GPUs, the end of GTX series - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA pulls the plug on GeForce GTX 16 series The GTX 16 series is no longer distributed to partners. Once the remaining stock of GTX 16 depletes, there will be no more cards based on this Turing architecture shipping to partners, distributors, retailers and in the end to gamers. Chinese...

videocardz.com

Sub $200 market could end up just being used stuff.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Sub $200 market could end up just being used stuff.

I don't think so. The 6GB RTX 3050 replaces all of the sub $200 MSRP/RRP GTX cards while providing more vram and most of the RTX feature set. It maintains the tradition of having slot powered and LP models too.

Complaining about the performance of the new model is odd to me. Because it keeps getting compared to the wrong cards. It only has to look good against the 1650 and 1050ti. Which man, did the 1050ti ever hang on forever. Nvidia supplying more chips for cards 3yrs ago during the pandemic is crazy sauce looking back.

 

[Ranulf]

Nvidia supplying more chips for cards 3yrs ago during the pandemic is crazy sauce looking back.

Yeah but I'm guessing they had a lot of chips left over after the crypto bust in 2018.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Yeah but I'm guessing they had a lot of chips left over after the crypto bust in 2018.

I don't know the answer to that. They did start cranking out 2060s along with it, so maybe?

Also, don't forget the A580 is a sub $200 gpu that can game. I expect the B series to have a sub $200 model designed to sell in big volume. I'd love to see Intel take over that part of the market. While the 6600 is under $200 most of the time, it wasn't the MSRP. Everything AMD offers there MSRP speaking, is bad.

 

[DaaQ]

Don't worry, the 8GB cards will still be here for us! The smaller the buffer, the less useful it is for AI

Somewhat seriously, I saw that nvidia has halted production on all GTX cores, which means the GTX 1630 and GTX 1650 are going to dry out from retail by the end of Q1 (according to the analyst post I read). I don't hate the RTX 3050 6GB but that might actually be the bottom of the nvidia stack at ~$180.

Remember when IGPs killed all viable new GPUs under $100? Is that bar going to be lifted all the way to ~$180 now? Interesting to watch anyway, IMO.

This is the problem, this guy is wanting to use gaming gpus to power an AI startup, and then complaining about the firmware not being open. Just to guzzle up the consumer GPU market cards instead of using the AI accelerators, so he can make a quick buck.
Reportedly has 580 ish PRE orders. Each Tiny box uses 6 7900XTXs. Says Nvidia is too expensive, and for sure won't open their firmware.

This is probably why there are no RDNA4 top end cards.

 

[DaaQ]

AMD’s Lisa Su steps in to fix driver issues with GPUs in new TinyBox AI servers — firm calls for AMD to make its GPU firmware open source, points to issues with Radeon 7900 XTX

The intervention comes as Tiny Box publicly frets about Radeon-based platform bugs.

www.tomshardware.com

Guys, do you know what happens if AMD fixes these bugs?

Consumer GPUs fly off the shelves, bought by AI startups looking to capitalize on the AI craze.

It'll be the same crap mining misery all over again!

The guy running this Tiny Box startup is a real character. Of course you will run into issues when you try to use gaming GPU drivers to run an AI server. Or am I wrong here?

So, when AI startup Tiny Corp. experienced MES-related bugs with RX 7900 XTX cards that were supposed to go into its TinyBox computer, the only solution was for AMD to release a patch. Tiny Corp. (or perhaps its founder George Hotz) made these issues public on its X account yesterday and said, "It upsets me that the MES isn't open source" and said AMD "should immediately stop development of high end ML libraries and fix their basic sh*t [compiler and drivers]."

Link the the TH article, which seems to be asserting AMD should open up their firmware, for consumer GPU product line. Which would lead to probably no AMD GPUs being available for gamers or people needing computers for work needs other than gaming.

Tiny Corp is 70% confident that AMD will make at least some of its GPU firmware open source

Tiny Corp is kinda hopeful.

www.tomshardware.com

Here is another site speculating off of the TH article.

AMD to Sacrifice Flagship RDNA 4 GPUs to AI Chips

The company is reportedly diverting scarce resources from gaming to AI, where the profit margins are much higher.

www.extremetech.com

 

[SteinFG]

The guy running this Tiny Box startup is a real character. Of course you will run into issues when you try to use gaming GPU drivers to run an AI server. Or am I wrong here?

Doean't seem like cuda is having issues running on a 4090. Also, RX 7900 Series is explicitly supported by rocm https://rocm.docs.amd.com/projects/...rence/system-requirements.html#supported-gpus

 

[Hitman928]

Doean't seem like cuda is having issues running on a 4090. Also, RX 7900 Series is explicitly supported by rocm https://rocm.docs.amd.com/projects/...rence/system-requirements.html#supported-gpus
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They're not using ROCm though. . .

 

[blckgrffn]

Doean't seem like cuda is having issues running on a 4090. Also, RX 7900 Series is explicitly supported by rocm https://rocm.docs.amd.com/projects/...rence/system-requirements.html#supported-gpus
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No doubt.

But, in a thin level of defense because I am not shilling, Tiny is putting six of these in one box and basically abstracting them into one resource pool. For a consumer level GPU I am guessing this was pretty far off into left field in terms of support vs some Joe having one in their PC and having it work. I could be wrong but unless these become the next AI building blocks at scale this was always probably a more proof of concept on the AMD side rather than purpose driven development.

Hopefully we can have AMD GPUs that rest their resources driving multiple high refresh monitors AND do all this compute magic someday 😂

 

[Hitman928]

The guy running this Tiny Box startup is a real character.

He's not the best at customer support either, lol.

(I suggest to read the whole twitter thread but here's the jist).

https://twitter.com/x/status/1765107248437899347

https://twitter.com/x/status/1765119246244454762

 

[DrMrLordX]

I weep for dGPU consumers. Maybe Intel can take advantage and make something faster than a 7900XTX and sell it like crazy. Unless they all get bought out for AI work too.

 

[DaaQ]

I weep for dGPU consumers. Maybe Intel can take advantage and make something faster than a 7900XTX and sell it like crazy. Unless they all get bought out for AI work too

I read that the Blackwell DXG or whatever it's called, requires watercooling.
I caught that in a google feed can't remember the site atm.