Question Constant Errors after Upgrade

[gdansk]

My mistake.

A few other ideas:
In the memory test it shows 2133MT/s, is this the speed the memory was at when you installed Windows? I ask because I had a machine with bad memory, installed the OS at that point and the installation was still crashing randomly after replacing with working memory. But a reinstall fixed it. However, if you tested the drive in your machine then maybe not the problem.

Does linux crash too? Perhaps try a live distro from USB and see.

The errors appearing in kernel really does make it seem like memory errors. Otherwise, maybe the CPU is partially broken?

 

[JimKiler]

I don't have a solution but I had a friend build a computer about 22 years ago, it was an Althon build with an Abit motherboard, remember Abit?, and it was similar that it would freeze. I cannot remember what all was replaced, most things were and I tried swapping with some of my parts without success. My other friend and I were not able to fix it and eventually he gave up and just got another computer.

I want to say he went from an Abit to Soyo Dragon motherboard, so perhaps in that case it was going from one bad motherboard to another.

I forgot, i had random freezing with my AMD AM3 build for a while and it was so random. I did memory tests without errors. Finally a year later one memory stick up and died. I got it warrantied and I have never had a freeze since, but for some reason memory tests initially could not find the issue. OP replaced memory so that cannot be the issue here.

 

[Rokkaholik]

My mistake.

A few other ideas:
In the memory test it shows 2133MT/s, is this the speed the memory was at when you installed Windows? I ask because I had a machine with bad memory, installed the OS at that point and the installation was still crashing randomly after replacing with working memory. But a reinstall fixed it. However, if you tested the drive in your machine then maybe not the problem.

Does linux crash too? Perhaps try a live distro from USB and see.

The errors appearing in kernel really does make it seem like memory errors. Otherwise, maybe the CPU is partially broken?

I don't overclock so whatever speed DDR4 3000mhz runs.

Yes, I tried a Linux install and it locks up as soon as it reads the USB boot

I'm starting to wonder if the CPU itself is glitchy

 

[Rokkaholik]

Well, some dummy forgot that he actually had a brand spanking new 650 watt EVGA sitting in the closet. So I plugged that into the whole system and fired it up and still got the same freeze so now I know it's not the power supply. I am out of ideas so I think it's time to gut the system and start over

 

[tcsenter]

Wow, the PSU was involved in both systems that were freezing/crashing. So that leaves the CPU possibly? It funny that one of those boards came with F1 BIOS, it is so old it is not even available from Gigabyte downloads page, which only has as far back as F4.

 

[Rokkaholik]

Wow, the PSU was involved in both systems that were freezing/crashing. So that leaves the CPU possibly? It funny that one of those boards came with F1 BIOS, it is so old it is not even available from Gigabyte downloads page, which only has as far back as F4.

F3 bios actually.... the original system was a 6th gen i5 CPU on a Gigabyte Z170X Gaming 3 mobo. She uses the PC for school so it had to be reliable. It started randomly freezing every few days or so which is what prompted the upgrade.

The upgrade initially was just the CPU and motherboard (both used) to an 11th gen Intel. The crashes got more frequent so I put in a newer/larger M.2 drive and redid Windows fresh again. Same random crashing so I upgraded the memory with 2 more sticks and then it wouldn't boot at all. It did NOT work with 4 (8gbx4) sticks at all, so that's when I got the 16gbx2 and same crashes. I've since taken out the AMD graphics card and went to onboaed video just to rule that out. The only things left from before the upgrade were the PSU and the damn case.... I've even blanked out my 3 USB OS install drives and redid them just to rule them out. Now a backup PSU didn't help.

Currently googling "Exorcist".........

And also Newegg because I give up and now I'm pissed. Which in and of itself is not a good thing because as soon as I get pissed, money is no longer an object (I'll regret this later 😜 )

 

[In2Photos]

Are there any other drives connected or just the 1 M.2 drive?

 

[Rokkaholik]

Are there any other drives connected or just the 1 M.2 drive?

Only the single M.2

Although I'm considering taking the M2 out altogether and plugging in an Old Fashioned spinning drive just to see if that is an issue

 

[In2Photos]

So the only item left is the case? Disconnect every front panel connector and see what happens. Maybe one of the ports has a short.

 

[In2Photos]

Did you reuse the CPU cooler? Maybe it's not applying equal pressure and causing the CPU to not make contact on some pins.

 

[Rokkaholik]

So the only item left is the case? Disconnect every front panel connector and see what happens. Maybe one of the ports has a short.

Did it.... I'm lost.... this has never happened in the 20 years I've been assembling PCs, even with used parts

 

[tcsenter]

Did you reuse the CPU cooler? Maybe it's not applying equal pressure and causing the CPU to not make contact on some pins.

I don't think mounting stand off or riser holes line up between LGA 1151 and 1200.

 

[Rokkaholik]

I don't think mounting stand off or riser holes line up between LGA 1151 and 1200.

Many coolers have more than one chip they fit. The Cooler Master one that I have has multiple mounting options

 

[Mantrid-Drone]

"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."

Reading back you seem to have tried testing everything including the MB so, as tcsenter suggested, isn't the CPU the only thing left as the possible culprit? Unless I've missed it isn't that the only thing not tested?

It could be a CPU cooler mounting issue but that seems unlikley if the problem persisted with a brand new MB too. So if that is eliminated as the cause what are you left with other than the CPU itself being the problem?

 

[Rokkaholik]

"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."

Reading back you seem to have tried testing everything including the MB so, as tcsenter suggested, isn't the CPU the only thing left as the possible culprit? Unless I've missed it isn't that the only thing not tested?

It could be a CPU cooler mounting issue but that seems unlikley if the problem persisted with a brand new MB too. So if that is eliminated as the cause what are you left with other than the CPU itself being the problem?

I'm starting to lean that way. It was used when I bought it off ebay

 

[bba-tcg]

I don't think mounting stand off or riser holes line up between LGA 1151 and 1200.

The mounting holes are the same distance: https://www.techspot.com/news/84956-confirmed-lga-115x-coolers-work-comet-lake-s.html

 

[tcsenter]

The mounting holes are the same distance: https://www.techspot.com/news/84956-confirmed-lga-115x-coolers-work-comet-lake-s.html

Duh I should have realized this, I forgot I had a few months ago reused one of my Skylake era 1150/51 HSF on a Intel W580 board with LGA 1200 processor.

 

[Torn Mind]

Old stable hardware does not suddenly become crash prone. Your mobo or CPU is the problem.

As they are both used, the CPU could have been burnt through as "gamer stable" but not work stable.

 

[Shmee]

Yeah sounds like it could be the CPU at this point.

 

[Torn Mind]

OP should get a Celeron as a test CPU. That's basically the last thing to eliminate. Unlike K chips, less probable a used one is a flake. But before spending that money...

Intel has been pushing clocks so high to keep pace with AMD that long term stability with their faster chips may no longer exist at the official speeds, but rather at some underclocked point. He can try doing his install at a lower clock speed(no other tweaks initially) and see if the errors continue to manifest. Bumping up voltage(no other tweaks initially) is another tweak to see if the CPU has indeed been compromised.

Also, attempt to install with disabled cores; attempt to operate i5 as a single core without any other tweaks.

Disabling Turbo Boost is a first step. Then move to core disabling at stock speeds. Then try underclocking with all cores active.

 

[Rokkaholik]

I got fed up and parted it out in favor of all new stuff. Thanks for your input everyone. In 20 years of building, I've never had a @%$#!&%!!! like this one

Went with
Intel i5 12600k
Gigabyte Aorus B760 Elite AX
32gb Corsair DDR5 5600mhz
1tb Hynix Gold P31 M.2
...and the EVGA 650w power supply I successfully hid from myself for some reason.

I'll put her AMD RX580 back in after I get it all set up. She only plays Roblox and a little Mindcraft so no need for a new GPU

 

[Brainonska511]

It seems the issue was solved by just chucking it and starting fresh, so glad to hear the problem is gone.

I was going to suggest you could try looking in the Event Viewer and finding the dmp file, if one was created (sometimes, windows puts them in nonstandard places). Small possibility it could have pointed to a source of the problem. When I was having GPU issues last year - sporadic crashing, generally while playing games (but hard to reproduce consistently), the BlueScreen Viewer at least pointed to the AMD driver as an issue, which led me to run Furmark to confirm it was the GPU and not some other gremlin.

 

[Torn Mind]

It seems the issue was solved by just chucking it and starting fresh, so glad to hear the problem is gone.

I was going to suggest you could try looking in the Event Viewer and finding the dmp file, if one was created (sometimes, windows puts them in nonstandard places). Small possibility it could have pointed to a source of the problem. When I was having GPU issues last year - sporadic crashing, generally while playing games (but hard to reproduce consistently), the BlueScreen Viewer at least pointed to the AMD driver as an issue, which led me to run Furmark to confirm it was the GPU and not some other gremlin.

He said he ran it off "motherboard video"(IGP on chip, actually), and the errors persisted.

But yes, GPU drivers can be a cause of instability. The Dell G5 I plan to return certainly loves random crashes.
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I got fed up and parted it out in favor of all new stuff. Thanks for your input everyone. In 20 years of building, I've never had a @%$#!&%!!! like this one

Went with
Intel i5 12600k
Gigabyte Aorus B760 Elite AX
32gb Corsair DDR5 5600mhz
1tb Hynix Gold P31 M.2
...and the EVGA 650w power supply I successfully hid from myself for some reason.

I'll put her AMD RX580 back in after I get it all set up. She only plays Roblox and a little Mindcraft so no need for a new GPU

You likely would still need to be on guard as the mobos might have a power profile set too "high power" for stability. For long term stability, it is worth making sure the power and/or clockspeed settings are a tad more conservative as Roblox or Minecraft is not that demanding.

Is your Intel Core i9-13900K crashing in games? Your motherboard BIOS settings may be to blame — other high-end Intel CPUs also affected (Updated)

Apparently a 4096W power limit might be a bad idea.

www.tomshardware.com

 

[Rokkaholik]

It seems the issue was solved by just chucking it and starting fresh, so glad to hear the problem is gone.

I was going to suggest you could try looking in the Event Viewer and finding the dmp file, if one was created (sometimes, windows puts them in nonstandard places). Small possibility it could have pointed to a source of the problem. When I was having GPU issues last year - sporadic crashing, generally while playing games (but hard to reproduce consistently), the BlueScreen Viewer at least pointed to the AMD driver as an issue, which led me to run Furmark to confirm it was the GPU and not some other gremlin.

Windows never ran long enough... it froze and then wouldn't install after a few tries