If people crashing with IccMax=307A, then their ECU is either cooked or the motherboard voltage regulation calibration is crap.
If people crashing with IccMax=307A, then their ECU is either cooked or the motherboard voltage regulation calibration is crap.That still doesn't explain the crashes.
Isn't it obvious from the equations? A higher Icc results in lower Vcc at any given point on the Load Line.That still doesn't explain the crashes.
power virus apps like Prime95 or YCruncher barely pull more than 200W. Cinebench R15 will pull 253W since it’s not as heavy though.
What is "stock"?At stock a 14900K use 364W with Prime 95, because the chip is not capped at 253W at stock, guess that you did implement yourself a limitation.
Computerbase on the other end use only stock settings for everything including the RAM, and only the 14700k is stock limited to 253W, this can be seen on their graphs including the one wich display the package power on Prime 95.
Intel Core i9-14900K, i7-14700K & i5-14600K im Test: Anwendungs-Benchmarks
i9-14900K, i7-14700K & i5-14600K im Test: Anwendungs-Benchmarks / Testmethodik / Multi-Core-Leistung / Single-Core-Leistungwww.computerbase.de
What is "stock"?
This entire thread is about how "stock" doesn't mean Intel's specification.
Does Computerbase test it with Iccmax = 307A and DC_LL = 1.1 mOhm?
Something seems off about that explanation. I understand where you've coming from, but the core complaint is that Raptor Lake is crashing in Unreal Engine games (and possibly other games). Is the current draw going to be high enough in an Unreal Engine title for that to even be a factor?Isn't it obvious from the equations? A higher Icc results in lower Vcc at any given point on the Load Line.
It's happening during shader compilation.Something seems off about that explanation. I understand where you've coming from, but the core complaint is that Raptor Lake is crashing in Unreal Engine games (and possibly other games). Is the current draw going to be high enough in an Unreal Engine title for that to even be a factor?
Also shouldn't the boost algo modulate clockspeed based on voltage constraints?
Ahh okay, that makes sense. That still doesn't explain why the boost algo is so broken that it tries to boost clocks while volt restricted.It's happening during shader compilation.
It's not stock if it's pulling 364W during P95. Either the motherboard vendor isn't using Intel spec or ComputerBase is enabling XMP and that disables all current and power limits (because XMP automatically enables MCE for most consumer boards).At stock a 14900K use 364W with Prime 95, because the chip is not capped at 253W at stock, guess that you did implement yourself a limitation.
Computerbase on the other end use only stock settings for everything including the RAM, and only the 14700k is stock limited to 253W, this can be seen on their graphs including the one wich display the package power on Prime 95.
Intel Core i9-14900K, i7-14700K & i5-14600K im Test: Anwendungs-Benchmarks
i9-14900K, i7-14700K & i5-14600K im Test: Anwendungs-Benchmarks / Testmethodik / Multi-Core-Leistung / Single-Core-Leistungwww.computerbase.de
I know from personal experience that this is not true.Stock mean that they took the CPU out of the box and mounted it in a MB that was set at stock settings for all CPUs, the 13900K and 14700K are limited at 253W at stock while there s no such a limitation for the 14900K, it have to be manually implemented.
All the lengths people will go to for this "unlimited power" benchmark runs, but nobody seems to test what will happen when PL1=150 W PL2 = 320 W and IccMax = 400 A is enforced in the BIOS with all performance enhancing exploits disabled.Intel Core i9-14900KS delidded: 10C temperature reduction, and insane 432W power
Intel's new special edition Core i9-14900KS processor has been purchased, delidded, and tested: 10C temp reduction from delidding, 432W+ power used.www.tweaktown.com
"In its stock form, the Core i9-14900KS reached a toasty 85C temperature and consumed 376W of power in Cinebench R23 benchmark runs. [...] With the Core i9-14900KS delidded, the temps dropped by 10C down to 75C in Cinebench R23 runs. Moving over to Y-cruncher with the stock IHS, the Core i9-14900KS was running at an even more toasty 89C and using much more power, sucking down 432W. The Y-cruncher run with the delidded Core i9-14900KS ran 7C cooler at 82C, while power dropped to 409W"
"In its stock form, the Core i9-14900KS reached a toasty 85C temperature and consumed 376W of power in Cinebench R23 benchmark runs. [...] With the Core i9-14900KS delidded, the temps dropped by 10C down to 75C in Cinebench R23 runs. Moving over to Y-cruncher with the stock IHS, the Core i9-14900KS was running at an even more toasty 89C and using much more power, sucking down 432W. The Y-cruncher run with the delidded Core i9-14900KS ran 7C cooler at 82C, while power dropped to 409W"
Rather than complaining about "unlimited power" benchmark runs, the real question should be: what would a 14900KS bring over a 14900K or even plain 14900 if power was set to sane levels?
"Don't worry" about it, currently AI companies are burning so much energy that some states in the US need to rethink their infrastructure strategy.What I, personally, find distasteful, is the fact that one one hand we're beginning to realize that humanity needs to curb its energy consumption and carbon emissions, in order to slow down climate change, while at the same time greedy companies like Intel are wasting insane amounts of energy in their products, just to eke a few measly percentage gains over their AMD rivals.
A couple of years ago, it was crypto... now it's AI..."Don't worry" about it, currently AI companies are burning so much energy that some states in the US need to rethink their infrastructure strategy.
AI Power Consumption Surge Strains US Electricity Grid, Coal-Powered Plants Make a Comeback
The artificial intelligence boom is driving a sharp rise in electricity use across the United States, catching utilities and regulators off guard. In northern Virginia's "data center alley," demand is so high that the local utility temporarily halted new data center connections in 2022...www.techpowerup.com
Whether DIY builds boost to 250W or 150W pales by comparison, and I write this from a 12700K with PL1=PL2=120W so I'm a firm believer in energy consumption with common sense.
Oh, I'm sure they are. So 100% tested rather some sampling they do for plain 14900 etc. but I still consider the KS a total waste of time.They are likely better binned...
Ryzen 1200 is well below AMD minimum requirements for the game. Which is listed as a Ryzen 1600. It does okay an i5 6600K for Intel but that is significantly faster than a 1200. And could do 4.5GHz without breaking a sweat. Obviously tell him to stop overclocking if he is doing it, until finished troubleshooting.Anyone know if this bug affects Zen1?
I've got a buddy trying to play Tekken 8 (UE5), on an AX370 Gaming (3?) with a Ryzen 3 1200 (may be overclocked), RAM was possible XMP 3200, don't know if it's currently at that.
He gets an internal error playing arcade lobby, like 2-3s into the game?
Furmark benchmark passes, 74C max on 4GB RX 570.
That's next on the list to try. Funny thing is, he used some UE5 TK8 tweaks on the internet to play matches online with a friend, and he says that it works great. Just certain modes / lobbies don't work, resulting in black-screen or crash.It would not be surprising if that1200 can't do 3200 XMP stable. Maybe with 1.4v or so and perhaps even loosening the timings a bit. Maybe not at all. I'd set it to 2666 until troubleshooting is complete.
If the troubleshooting doesn't get things working for him. I can donate a Ryzen 5500 if you need it. That'll get him competitive for certain.That's next on the list to try. Funny thing is, he used some UE5 TK8 tweaks on the internet to play matches online with a friend, and he says that it works great. Just certain modes / lobbies don't work, resulting in black-screen or crash.