NV Super refresh reviews

[coercitiv]

Except Gaming revenue has been going back up...

Gaming revenue was going up through the crypto boom as well. Believe it or not, some startups buy even AMD cards.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Yeah, a startlingly poor showing from the TI Super.

For most purposes, you're getting a 4070Ti with some extra ram.

4070 Super looks like it will be the star of refresh-o-rama. Don't have high hopes for the 4080 Super (Guessing it will be within 1-2% of the 7900XTX)...

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Ventus is supposed to be a terrible card. This one performed a lot better

ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super TUF Review

While the $800 ASUS RTX 4070 Ti Super TUF doesn't include a factory overclock, it features a highly capable all-metal cooler—ranking as the most effective among all the cards tested today. Additionally, the dual BIOS provides a quiet mode, transforming the card into a whisper-quiet gaming machine.

www.techpowerup.com

 

[blckgrffn]

Ventus is supposed to be a terrible card. This one performed a lot better

ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super TUF Review

While the $800 ASUS RTX 4070 Ti Super TUF doesn't include a factory overclock, it features a highly capable all-metal cooler—ranking as the most effective among all the cards tested today. Additionally, the dual BIOS provides a quiet mode, transforming the card into a whisper-quiet gaming machine.

www.techpowerup.com

Wow, not even a stock OC and it varied that much? Holy cow.

 

[cebri1]

Got a 4070 Super, coming from a 2060 is quite a huge jump. Almost 3x in a lot of games I tried at 1440p. I'm going to try to do some undervolting and slight OC.

 

[Aapje]

Anytime nVidia does a "Super" refresh I am reminded of how bad that generation is and how it forces nVidia to put lipstick on a pig to generate some hype/sales.

The only saving grace is that now nVidia buyers can get 256-bit card starting at $800, LMAO!

What a time to be alive.

Thanks to the 256-bit bus the card is 6% faster than the 4070 Ti at 4K versus 3% at 1080p and 1440p. Such difference.

The biggest upside is actually the 16 GB.

But the real winners are those waiting for Blackwell or RDNA4....hopefully.

 

[Saylick]

RTX 4070Ti Super is super fast.
I see 1000% increase in FPS, certainly worth the money.

Yet you all are disappointed.

Hey, don't give any ideas to Nvidia on how to market this thing. The last thing we need is a slide comparing 4070 Ti Super vs. 4070 Ti that says 2000%* fps improvement.

Spoiler

*At 4K, max RT, and with DLSS 3 FG enabled.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

Hey, don't give any ideas to Nvidia on how to market this thing. The last thing we need is a slide comparing 4070 Ti Super vs. 4070 Ti that says 2000%* fps improvement.

Spoiler

*At 4K, max RT, and with DLSS 3 FG enabled.

Why not?
You just need correct settings!

 

[tajoh111]

Disappointing performance held back as a result of the l2 cache cripple. It also demonstrates how much gains could have been made in the RTX 4090 ti if actually was released. The lack of scaling between the RTX 4080 and 4090 confirm l2 cache is the culprit.

The RTX 4090 only has 72mb of cache and is even more starved than this card for it. The RTX 4090 ti with 18k shaders and the full 96mb of cache would have been 20% faster than the existing RTX 4090. It is a shame it is not coming out.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Wow, not even a stock OC and it varied that much? Holy cow.

W1z found exactly the variance Nvidia put out in a last minute tech press alert. Aussie Steve's test suite didn't.

Vid will start at correct time -

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Wow, not even a stock OC and it varied that much? Holy cow.

Hardware Unboxed mentioned in their review that they got a message from Nvidia saying something was screwy with the Ventus and that it had been grossly underperforming in some reviews. HUB's Ventus 4070 Ti Super was like 1% below their Asus 4070 Ti Super but other reviewers were getting much worse results.

 

[blckgrffn]

Hardware Unboxed mentioned in their review that they got a message from Nvidia saying something was screwy with the Ventus and that it had been grossly underperforming in some reviews. HUB's Ventus 4070 Ti Super was like 1% below their Asus 4070 Ti Super but other reviewers were getting much worse results.

Wow, sounds like an amazing QA flub. It will be interesting to see if those were early reviewer sample issues or if those were pulled blind for reviewers from a large import batch. If its the latter, it will be really interesting to see how MSI handles it. I've had great luck with their GPUs in the past.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Wow, sounds like an amazing QA flub. It will be interesting to see if those were early reviewer sample issues or if those were pulled blind for reviewers from a large import batch. If its the latter, it will be really interesting to see how MSI handles it. I've had great luck with their GPUs in the past.

I've never had an issue with MSI GPUs. Never-the-less they are on the bottom of my list of vendors now, simply because of all the plastic, and especially, the plastic backplates. I consider that an inexcusable cheap out on BoM.

Distancing themselves further and further from AMD as this kind of fail ensues feels like poetic justice. 💀

 

[CakeMonster]

GN review showed 12% over the 4070Ti with RT or in 4K raster, that makes more sense than the minimal advantages in HUB's case. That is where the fatter bus should prove itself, and it apparently does. I'd also be much more confident with the Ti Super in heavy upcoming games. I think we should be able to conclude something was up with some units, or with the current driver.

Whether that means the 4070Ti Super is worth the higher price depends on a lot of stuff. I would absolutely want the higher VRAM and fatter bus, but not for any price. And real world benchmarks (with bugs squished) should be the final arbiter. If both the Ti and the Ti Super are outdated in 3-4 years it doesn't really matter if the better specs led you (and me in this case) to believe it would last. But if you think they will have enough basic horsepower in that time frame... the Ti Super would be advisable for its VRAM and bus width I guess.

 

[DavidC1]

AMD failed with the design of this generation and despite this they are doing relatively well, probably in large part due to giving their cards more VRAM.

I don't care how they are doing on the specs/perf level. I'm talking about sales.

AMD is barely at 10% for marketshare. So saying Nvidia is in trouble is laughable.

 

[Aapje]

I don't care how they are doing on the specs/perf level. I'm talking about sales.

AMD is barely at 10% for marketshare. So saying Nvidia is in trouble is laughable.

Sales is not just about market share, but also about absolute sales. Also, AMD has way higher market share than that if you count the consoles.

I also never argued that Nvidia is in trouble, just that this gen looks to be a rather poor seller, aside from the 4090's (both for gaming and AI usage).

 

[DavidC1]

Sales is not just about market share, but also about absolute sales. Also, AMD has way higher market share than that if you count the consoles.

I also never argued that Nvidia is in trouble, just that this gen looks to be a rather poor seller, aside from the 4090's (both for gaming and AI usage).

Consoles aren't even related.

Nvidia is the dominant seller, thus takes direct hit from macroeconomic conditions. That is, financial and emotional fatigue from being forced lockdowns in the past 2 years, inflating sales numbers. We're just going through the opposite. No need for most people to upgrade, even though the value proposition of Super is relatively pretty good. Most would also be financially drained due to businesses closing down and 2023 brought big inflation.

The price increase of GPUs happened pre-crypto mining era starting with the GTX 1080, where the prices were 20% higher but performance maybe 30%. They did it again with RTX 2080, then again with RTX 3080. Those three generations looked good only because the follow-up Ti offered better value compared to the initial releases.

 

[Aapje]

You insist on looking at the companies' financial position. From that perspective the consoles are very relevant because they allow AMD to earn back the RDNA development costs more easily than if they were dependent on only sales of desktop and laptop GPUs.

And the 3080 was the same price as the 2080, so you've got your facts wrong. The 3080 looked good because it was a solid boost over the 2080 and counting inflation it was actually a bit cheaper in inflation-adjusted dollars than the 2080. The 3080 Ti had a mining boom MSRP and thus never looked good. So your view on history doesn't seem to match what actually happened.

 

[DavidC1]

I admit I got one out of three wrong, but other two were an increase. And the GTX 1080 was entirely Nvidia's doing, not crypto mining.

As expensive as the initial Ada cards were, now they aren't. I doubt neither AMD nor Intel will be able to counter this effectively.

And that's the whole point. How many people would go for Battlemage at $499 with similar performance and power specs to the 4070 Super at just $100 more? Likewise, AMD would need an advantage in pricing to compete, probably not as big as Intel, but at 10% marketshare, not big of a difference. And 4070 Super is $599 right now. Both AMD/Intel responses are far, far, away.

 

[Aapje]

As expensive as the initial Ada cards were, now they aren't.

The 4080 Super is $300 more expensive than the 3080, so Ada is still hugely more expensive for the higher tiers, after the refresh.

I doubt neither AMD nor Intel will be able to counter this effectively.

I am very uncertain on how good RDNA4 and Battlemage will be.

But Nvidia is also competing against themselves and if they offer very small or no price/perf improvements, people will stick with their old cards.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Yeah, a startlingly poor showing from the TI Super.

For most purposes, you're getting a 4070Ti with some extra ram.

4070 Super looks like it will be the star of refresh-o-rama. Don't have high hopes for the 4080 Super (Guessing it will be within 1-2% of the 7900XTX)...

Perhaps NVidia tried too hard to make sure the 4070 Ti-S didn't step on the toes of the 4080S.

 

[igor_kavinski]

1440p RT difference between Ti Super and Super is just 7% but look how the additional VRAM shines at 4K RT!



I feel deeply sorry for the people who got suckered into buying the 4000 series 12GB crap.

 

[igor_kavinski]

It's not even funny how many cards from the green camp get murdered here:



4070 Ti Super wins. Finally something that isn't worth stomping on with extreme prejudice.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

1440p RT difference between Ti Super and Super is just 7% but look how the additional VRAM shines at 4K RT!

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I feel deeply sorry for the people who got suckered into buying the 4000 series 12GB crap.

If you check each game then you will notice that this average is only because of Alan Wake 2. The rest saw only 10% decrease in performance 4070 Ti Super 16GB -> 4070 Ti 12GB.

edit: @igor_kavinski I don't disagree with that, but there is still the last option -> use correct settings.

 

[igor_kavinski]

If you check each game then you will notice that this average is only because of Alan Wake 2.

But it does not bode well for the 12GB cards in future similar games.

 

[psolord]

If you check each game then you will notice that this average is only because of Alan Wake 2. The rest saw only 10% decrease in performance 4070 Ti Super 16GB -> 4070 Ti 12GB.

It's not even funny how many cards from the green camp get murdered here:

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4070 Ti Super wins. Finally something that isn't worth stomping on with extreme prejudice.

1440p RT difference between Ti Super and Super is just 7% but look how the additional VRAM shines at 4K RT!

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I feel deeply sorry for the people who got suckered into buying the 4000 series 12GB crap.

Igor do not feel so sorry friend, for us 12GB cards peasants.

No one in their right mind, will try to play Alan Wake 2, at these 4k maxed out settings. The game is unplayable for even the 4090. Waaay below 60fps. If some of you want to make a holy grail, out of unplayable results vs even more unplayable results, be my guest.


Show me a good percentage of results, that help the 4070ti super, be comfortably above 60fps, while the 4070ti struggles below 60fps and then we'll talk. In which case, I will just show you, how easily such performance delta gets fixed, with dlss.

Both the 4070ti and the ti super, will be equally relegated, due to gpu processing power. The extra 4GBs will do jack nothing.

As a 4070ti owner, I will continue to be happy as a clam, as I have been for the past year. Next year, I'll get the new next gen card and end of story. And the new next gen card, will be a gpu power upgrade first and foremost, not a vram upgrade alone. 50% more gpu power, with 25% more vram, will be perfectly balanced.

I am super excited for how close the 4070 super came to the 4070ti though. I am very glad that people can now get, virtually the same performance, for 600. I say to all potential buyers, go for it.