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FlameTail

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I wonder, if 3/4 months from now, there'll be all these laptop reviewers raving about the battery life of the "new ARM laptops".

I really hope Snapdragon X Elite lives up to hype...
 

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Yes 8 gen 3 is more efficient than 7+ gen 3 even in devices, check video he test some games and 7+ gen 3 was meh, devices with 8 gen 3 have Excellent battery life, so it can replicate that efficiency in real life too.

The idea is that in low-load workloads, the 8G3 will consume less power than 7+ G3. But when you push them with a high load, 8G3 will consume more power than 7+ G3.

That does not mean it is less efficient, as yhe 8G3 would still deliver higher "FPS per watt" in games for instance.

Smartphone reviewers have noted this when comparing flagship and midrange phones.
Sooo, device tests on websites like gsmarena and notebookcheck and such, well they obviously don't isilate for SOC, but you are saying that any battery life shortcoming of phones with 8G3S are due to other factors?
 

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Which 8g3 devices have poor battery life?

The CPU is low in the list of factors impacting 'real world' phone usage tests. The radios, the screen, the GPU and the power states of the device may all have a bigger impact. It's why you can find phones with the same SoC and battery size but 5 hour differences in web browsing time. Those charts are an attempt to quantify CPU performance at various power levels while removing these other factors because some will vary.
 
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Snapdragon 8s Gen 3 has been announced:




It seems the 8s Gen 3 uses it's own distinct die. It does not use the cut down die of the 8 Gen 3.

I believe the 7+ Gen 3 and 8s Gen 3 share the same die.
 

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Snapdragon Mobile Gen 4 series speculation (by me)

8 Gen 4
2× Phoenix-L @4 GHz
6× Phoenix-M @2.5 GHz
Adreno 830

8s Gen 4
2× Phoenix-L @3.6 GHz
6× Phoenix-M @2.2 GHz
Adreno 829

7+ Gen 4
2× Phoenix-L @3.6 GHz
2× Phoenix-M @2.5 GHz
Adreno 738

7 Gen 4
2× Phoenix-L @3.3 GHz
2× Phoenix-M @2.2 GHz
Adreno 735

8G4 and 8sG4 share the same die, made on TSMC N3E.

7+G4 and 7G4 share the same die, made on TSMC N3E or Samsung SF3.
 

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Remember this news guys? It came out 10 months ago. I wonder what becomes of it. Looking forward to June 2024.

According to a new report from Chinese website, Dell, a leading Windows OEM, has created an entirely new division to focus on developing PCs based on Qualcomm Oryon CPUs. Dell has plans to release laptops based on Qualcomm Oryon CPUs in 2024. In general, OEMs will task their existing PC division to develop devices based on new processors. But Dell has taken a different approach by creating a new division with people involving hardware, software and firmware to create a new set of products targeting 2024.
 

soresu

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Remember this news guys? It came out 10 months ago. I wonder what becomes of it. Looking forward to June 2024.

There's nothing unexpected about that.

Dell are somewhat like Asus in that they produce mobos (proprietary form factor), but only as part of a fully integrated solution like Apple products.

They go the full hog with the case, and bundle the OS/software bundle too, aswell as provide tech support to their customers.

You could say that Dell and other OEMs like them (Acer, MSI etc) are the Apple's of the non Windows PC world.

Albeit I believe that most of Dell's sales are from businesses and education rather than consumers.

Given the possibility of Cortex X5 onward being very competitive with Oryon though, I wouldn't be surprised if their initial partnership with QC shifts to a custom chip of their own merely using QC modems* - this is an option that was not previously open to them in the x86 world, and I can only imagine that they are salivating over it.

*assuming the customer wants cell modems that is, if they don't there is no reason to stick with QC at all, as plenty others do wifi and bluetooth, which gives lots of options for SKUs to suit all needs.
 
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Another video on the Snapdragon SOCs, comparing with Apple M3 and Intel MTL CPUs:

 

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BOMBSHELL NEWS JUST DROPPED FOR WINDOWS ON ARM GAMING

Snapdragon X Elite can run games almost as well as x86.


With Windows on Snapdragon, devs have three options, Khalil explained:

(1) They can port their titles to native ARM64 for the best CPU performance and power usage since Qualcomm’s scheduler can dynamically lower the CPU’s frequency that way.
(2) They can create a hybrid “ARM64EC” app where Windows and its libraries and Qualcomm’s drivers run natively, but the rest of the app is emulated, for “near-native” performance.
(3) Or, they can do next to nothing, and their game should just work anyhow — using x64 emulation.
Qualcomm says it has Adreno GPU drivers for DX11, DX12, Vulkan, and OpenCL and will also support DX9 and up to OpenGL 4.6 via mapping layers.
They are supporting all the graphics APIs!!!

 
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Let's wait for the benchmarks before we all become incontinent with uncontrollable excitement

I'll be impressed if I can play Virtua Tennis on a WoA laptop for 2 hours straight and have the battery drain only about 25%.
 
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