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poke01

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Let's wait for the benchmarks before we all become incontinent with uncontrollable excitement

I'll be impressed if I can play Virtua Tennis on a WoA laptop for 2 hours straight and have the battery drain only about 25%.
I am already impressed. Supports 3 monitors, removable SSD and Vulcan support.
 

Tup3x

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Interesting to see how things are going to work out. They do need to do something about anti-cheat systems though and also ensure that popular games (like Genshin Impact - anti-cheat is going to cause issues) get native ports.
 

uzzi38

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No not MTL but Alder Lake. And later in 2025 Arrow lake and Lunar Lake.

Mostly businesses that have them.
Raptor Lake is sticking around for a while on the low end, ARL is more of a MTL replacement and LNL is it's own product category pretty much, will be the mainstay for most premium ultrabooks.
 
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Wait... the heck does removable ssd have to do with the SoC?
It means you can use it for more than 10 years. 20 even. At work, I'm still using a Core i5-2400 released in 2011. Would not have been possble without upgradable storage. It works plenty fine for my daily needs.
 

FlameTail

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I am just stating the design differences. None of Apples M laptops have a removable SSD.
Apple did it because...well they are Apple! They directly integrated the SSD controllers to the M chips. I don't think we were expecting Qualcomm to do the same. Qualcomm is competing in the PC industry; Soldered storage would be deeply unpopular and they'd get roasted for it (rightfully so).
 
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Apple did it because...well they are Apple!
One other reason that I can think of is they own Anobit and their technology enables NAND to last longer than the typical flash controller. But they could have still done something modular with a high speed interface. Seems they decided to go for the lazy and greedy way of doing storage.
 

FlameTail

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Upcoming consumer versions of Microsoft Surface Pro 10 and Surface Laptop 6 will come exclusively with Qualcomm Snapdragoj X chips.

2024 is the year of Windows On ARM!

So, if you think you don't want a Windows on Arm device because of what you've heard about the platform before, just wait and give it another chance. Microsoft's goal this year is for Windows on Arm to become normalized in the PC space, with end-users not really able to tell the difference between either Intel or Arm performance and compatibility.
 
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trivik12

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I think if X Elite is anywhere near what Qualcomm is hyping, x86 is going to be in trouble. I cant see x86 matching Arm custom cores in efficiency.
 

gdansk

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I think if X Elite is anywhere near what Qualcomm is hyping, x86 is going to be in trouble. I cant see x86 matching Arm custom cores in efficiency.
We'll see. It should launch still being compared to Phoenix and MTL which it should beat. But it'll have to compete with Strix Point and LNL too.

Moreover, it will have an emulation penalty and Windows is all about that backwards compatibility with old binaries unlike most other popular operating systems.
 

SpudLobby

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There's nothing unexpected about that.

Dell are somewhat like Asus in that they produce mobos (proprietary form factor), but only as part of a fully integrated solution like Apple products.

They go the full hog with the case, and bundle the OS/software bundle too, aswell as provide tech support to their customers.

You could say that Dell and other OEMs like them (Acer, MSI etc) are the Apple's of the non Windows PC world.

Albeit I believe that most of Dell's sales are from businesses and education rather than consumers.

Given the possibility of Cortex X5 onward being very competitive with Oryon though, I wouldn't be surprised if their initial partnership with QC shifts to a custom chip of their own merely using QC modems* - this is an option that was not previously open to them in the x86 world, and I can only imagine that they are salivating over it.

*assuming the customer wants cell modems that is, if they don't there is no reason to stick with QC at all, as plenty others do wifi and bluetooth, which gives lots of options for SKUs to suit all needs.
Actually what's unexpected about it is that they're at all going in on premium Arm chips. They haven't even done that for AMD. It's expected that they'll have a different branch, given XPS is so heavily saddled with Intel's engineering efforts, yes, but you're missing why he posted that.

As for Dell building a custom SoC, that won't happen. They don't have the volume to justify that at all, nor the competitive advantages that someone like Nvidia or MediaTek would on GPU IP or connectivity and NPU stuff. It would make absolutely no sense.

With Samsung it's different even though their laptop volumes are lower. Easy to amortize from the phone division.

You guys amaze me, lmao.
 

Gideon

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BOMBSHELL NEWS JUST DROPPED FOR WINDOWS ON ARM GAMING

Snapdragon X Elite can run games almost as well as x86.
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They are supporting all the graphics APIs!!!

Nice, the slides mention that still no AVX support though, just SSE4 for emulation. Most of the older games should have a SSE4 path and newer ones are more likely to get a port.
A bigger stumbling block might be anti-cheats (kernel-drivers) that need to be rewritten to ARM64. That means that most of the stuff that has anti-cheat problems with Steam Deck most certainly won't work on this as well.

The fact that they support even DX9 and OpenGL in drivers is a really solid commitment.
 

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Some advice: wait for launch and reviews.

I may or may not have recently seen it in action (I can neither confirm nor deny).

It performs well, but this chip is all over the place in terms of benchmarks. It is definitely not x86 and it shows. It will win some and lose some. As an end user you probably won’t notice, but the performance profile is VERY different.

Compatibility is good, not great. Better than the last time I played with WoA.

No idea on efficiency beyond what has been shown.

Don’t get me wrong, I am impressed. Much more polished than I imagined.

Qualcomm does have an AMD problem, however. A big one. Holy Moly Lisa Su, what are you doing?

No idea on gaming beyond what I have seen above, but no company in history has ever gotten day 1 drivers right (like EVER), and it will definitely be slower than any decent dGPU.

And the cycle continues.

Side note: I did not know these were being demoed to software shops.
 

FlameTail

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I may or may not have recently seen it in action (I can neither confirm nor deny).
Aha!
It performs well, but this chip is all over the place in terms of benchmarks. It is definitely not x86 and it shows. It will win some and lose some. As an end user you probably won’t notice, but the performance profile is VERY different.

Compatibility is good, not great. Better than the last time I played with WoA.

No idea on efficiency beyond what has been shown.
Performance, Efficiency, Compatibility....
Don’t get me wrong, I am impressed. Much more polished than I imagined.

Qualcomm does have an AMD problem, however. A big one. Holy Moly Lisa Su, what are you doing?
Could you elaborate what means?
 
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