Discussion [WCCFTech] What’s Up With The Missing NVIDIA DLSS Support In AMD Sponsored FSR Titles?

[Panino Manino]

A while ago similar useless and endless ego-guided discussions at beyond3d were so annoying that mods had to put it to an end, finally.

And now it's out of control at their official Digital Foundry topic.

Kind of sad because there was a lot of great discussion there and some great posters. But yeah there were some people that just had to stir the pot time and again.

That was a stupid decision, just put some users in the freezer for a few week and problem solved.
It's absurd that they locked their most precious section for those reasons while at the same time they are letting console war happen unbothered.

 

[IllogicalGlory]

Thinking about a bit more, there is some slim chance that AMD’s response in the GN video might be a sign that DLSS will be included. I’m not sure what GN’s line of communication is, but I think that simply not commenting rather than directly replying “no comment” would have been a bit wiser as far as downplaying or not drawing attention to the topic, seeing how sore many commenters online are about it right now. It seems pointless to just brazenly signal, directly or indirectly, that they are indeed doing this and that they don’t care enough about the complaints to make a change.

It could be, as Steve mentioned, a “jebait” setting up for a pleasant surprise and a bit of extra positive publicity if they eventually reveal that it will be included. However, it could also just plainly be that they felt compelled to respond to an outlet as influential as GN and it is indeed as good as confirmation that they are restricting it. The latter seems more likely to me, ultimately.

 

[MrTeal]

I guess we'll see. Steve was also directly asking about the contents of a contract between AMD and a third party. It wouldn't be surprising at all if their lawyers put a stop to an answer there.
More likely it'll come out without DLSS though.

 

[Hitman928]

I guess we'll see. Steve was also directly asking about the contents of a contract between AMD and a third party. It wouldn't be surprising at all if their lawyers put a stop to an answer there.
More likely it'll come out without DLSS though.

This is certainly a possibility, but if so, they should have stated as such which would have been a much better PR answer than just, no comment.

 

[Panino Manino]

This is certainly a possibility, but if so, they should have stated as such which would have been a much better PR answer than just, no comment.

Everyone knows that everyone at AMD are completely morons in everything regarding marketing and communication, specially when it's about GPUs.
This may very well simple be AMD, again, hurting themselves like the morons they are.
Seriously, they need more proffesional psychological help than the brazillian football team.

 

[tajoh111]

Starfield partners with AMD and oh boy, the internet is not happy

Some folk are mourning a hypothetical lack of DLSS support, some expecting more classic Bethesda launch jank, some fear Jedi: Survivor level issues, and some just straight out call for a boycott of AMD.

www.pcgamer.com

"Update June 30, 2023: We've had a back and forth with representatives from AMD and so far AMD has chosen not to comment on whether Bethesda is completely free to add in support for other upscalers alongside FSR2 in light of its AMD partnership. And we have not had any response at all from Bethesda to a similar request for comment on the situation."

Same response given to Steve.

 

[PJVol]

Omg ... )
Why didn't GN and others just ask Bethesda developer if they're gonna implement DLSS or not, and if not, why ? Instead of asking AMD PR reps weird questions.

 

[Ranulf]

Perhaps wccfTech could consult their own articles, from two years ago.

The Riftbreaker Tech Q&A - AMD FSR Critical for 4K@60 on Consoles; No Plans for NVIDIA DLSS

We interviewed EXOR Studios COO Paweł Lekki to discuss the technical features of The Riftbreaker, due for release tomorrow on PC and consoles

wccftech.com

"What is your favorite aspect of AMD's FidelityFX Super Resolution, after working with it?


It works on practically any GPU that can run The Riftbreaker. The people that need this feature the most are the ones with underpowered GPUs. It can easily make the difference of playing at 30FPS vs 60FPS. I think it's a game changer for a lot of people. It also works out of the box on consoles. It's super lightweight and super easy to implement. There's a lot of things to like about it.


Is there anything you'd like AMD to improve from their side in future updates?


Image quality at sub 1080p resolutions could be improved."


"Are you planning to add NVIDIA DLSS to the PC version of The Riftbreaker, too? If not, why?


We don't have such plans at the moment. We would rather invest our time in other technologies that can be accessed by all of our players."

 

[Heartbreaker]

Perhaps wccfTech could consult their own articles, from two years ago.

The Riftbreaker Tech Q&A - AMD FSR Critical for 4K@60 on Consoles; No Plans for NVIDIA DLSS

We interviewed EXOR Studios COO Paweł Lekki to discuss the technical features of The Riftbreaker, due for release tomorrow on PC and consoles

wccftech.com

So what you are saying is that AMD have been paying off devs since at least 2021.

AMD partner practically parroting AMD marketing.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I'm in favor of AMD using this exclusive partnership to promote both their CPU and GPU features with tangible and prominent performance benefits, like V-cache optimized game engine, AVX-512 support, FSR3 frame generation and almost-DLSS-parity upscaling with FSR3. If AMD doesn't bungle this up, it could really put AMD on the map for people who have been conditioned to be skeptical of AMD.

And I'm hoping that Microsoft releases the Xbox Series XL console with V-cache Zen 4 CPU and RDNA3 with 20GB RAM to elevate the gaming experience across the board for everyone.

With AMD, gaming moves forward. With nGreedia, we keep paying through our noses for tiny incremental improvements over what's basically tech from the year 2020.

It is our duty as conscientious techies to prop up AMD with our dollars so it stands a better chance against nGreedia's arrogant hegemony. Jensen's chicanery must be punished!

 

[igor_kavinski]

So what you are saying is that AMD have been paying off devs since at least 2021.

Suppose, YES! What are the green team gamers gonna do about it? Boycott AMD hardware and AMD sponsored games? Go ahead!

What are you guys gonna do next? Try to pass a bill in Congress for mandatory implementation of DLSS in all game engines and all games currently on sale?

European Union would already be looking into this situation if there was even a hint of unfairness. They are more likely to force nGreedia to open up DLSS for the benefit of everyone.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Starfield partners with AMD and oh boy, the internet is not happy

Some folk are mourning a hypothetical lack of DLSS support, some expecting more classic Bethesda launch jank, some fear Jedi: Survivor level issues, and some just straight out call for a boycott of AMD.

www.pcgamer.com

Well, at least this should force Bethesda to add DLSS support. The last thing they would want with such a big title is negative publicity. They are probably hard at work evaluating the feasibility of adding DLSS to Starfield. Geforce RTX owners will win, sadly.

But if the opposite happens, BOLD MOVE, one worthy of a raucous applause! What would really be awesome is if they come out detailing all the issues they would face trying to implement DLSS.

 

[DeathReborn]

Has AMD launched their "Coming 1H 2023" HYPR-RX technology yet? Nope, big hooplah in November 22 then nothing. I'd have no issue with FSR games not having DLSS if FSR was any good, but it sucks so I hate it.

 

[gdansk]

I've used both. They both suck. FSR sucks more. DLAA is where it's at and any form of DLSS is merely coping with hardware not being good enough.

Of course they add DLAA when they add DLSS but still. All this DLSS hype is weird when it looks worse. Why not push the best quality? You are a real PC gamer right? Accept no console-like upscaling. Demand genuine DLAA.

(This post is half in jest. But only half.)

 

[igor_kavinski]

I've used both. They both suck. FSR sucks more. DLAA is where it's at and any form of DLSS is merely coping with hardware not being good enough.

nGreedia started this trend. AMD only followed suit. Then nGreedia came up with frame generation. Anyone see the pattern? They are taking the lead in fooling gamers by giving them fake pixels. I bet next, they will come up with some sort of real time AI scene generation that will generate worlds based on a scene description language. Killing the jobs of artists. Then everyone will be forced to play games that look like frickin' dreams or nightmares or even hallucinations!

 

[PJVol]

Suppose, YES! What are the green team gamers gonna do about it?

You know, I came across a funny discussion on reddit on this topic, and wanted to quote someone's post (which I auto-upvoted, being 55th) and another person's reply, as a case in point:

mista_r0boto
Yeah people are completely obsessed with RT. It’s unhealthy folks. Just enjoy the game. It will be great and will look great even if it had little or no RT. Playability and game play should get more focus vs pixel peeping.

dadmou5​

It's a modern day title that is exclusively on the current gen consoles and PC. There is no reason for it to not have ray tracing at least as an option. And at no point anyone stated that ray tracing is a higher priority over gameplay. Talented studios have shown you can have both.​

I think it's not hard to notice very typical behavior for a specific consumer group. Anyways, I can't say it better:
Guys, stop being a shill for the corporates - you look like a stupid morons, just enjoy the gaming instead.

 

[sandorski]

In the future we won't buy video games. Your GPU will use AI to generate a Game while you play it. You'll Pay based upon how long you Play. They'll call it: Pay to Play....

 

[Ranulf]

So what you are saying is that AMD have been paying off devs since at least 2021.

AMD partner practically parroting AMD marketing.

Just to note, Riftbreaker devs added XeSS to the game last month.

 

[Saylick]

You know, I came across a funny discussion on reddit on this topic, and wanted to quote someone's post (which I auto-upvoted, being 55th) and another person's reply, as a case in point:


I think it's not hard to notice very typical behavior for a specific consumer group. Anyways, I can't say it better:
Guys, stop being a shill for the corporates - you look like a stupid morons, just enjoy the gaming instead.

I found this gem of a tweet the other day. I didn't realize some people felt this strongly about one exclusive feature that isn't even required to play the game.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1673689701608194048

Edit: for those who can't see the Tweet. It was twitter handle CapFrameX saying "No DLSS, no buy. It's just that simple".

 

[VirtualLarry]

Twitter is not public any more, btw. I don't have a twitter acct., and I'm prompted to login or create an account, every time I click on a twitter link, I can't see the contents.

So my opinion is, twitter links, like facebook links, should not be allowed on these more-or-less publically-accessable message boards.

 

[gdansk]

No bugs in that hamburger? I'm not buying it. It is just that simple. You know bugs in hamburgers taste just as good right? Sometimes even better than unadulterated hamburger. I'm mad they only announced plans to put oatmeal in it. That's simply unacceptable, it tastes worse.

How does Nvidia do it

 

[Heartbreaker]

Just to note, Riftbreaker devs added XeSS to the game last month.

Once you have one of these temporal scalers, adding any of the others is trivial: They all use the same inputs, so it's literally just cut and paste coding to add another, assuming you don't already have template, macro, abstract class for this.

Riftbreakd devs adding XeSS and only XeSS, is just more evidence that this is only about one thing: AMD blocking DLSS, and they have been at it for quite some time.

 

[DrMrLordX]

AMD blocking DLSS, and they have been at it for quite some time.

Given their abysmal marketshare in the DiY graphics space, it should tell everyone once-and-for-all that "blocking DLSS" doesn't sell video cards.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Given their abysmal marketshare in the DiY graphics space, it should tell everyone once-and-for-all that "blocking DLSS" doesn't sell video cards.

Moves made in desperation, are often bad moves.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Moves made in desperation, are often bad moves.

You'd think if they've actually been spending money like this for at least two years, that they would have figured it out by now?

Or maybe

just maybe

AMD isn't actually paying people to do that.