As a quick preview of our extensive tests on the following pages, the flagship Ryzen 9 7950X makes incredible gains — it’s up to 15% faster at gaming, 21% faster in single-threaded work, and 45% faster in threaded work...ISO node?
Ugh, never?
No, that's not how any of them OoO machines work.
It's a bigger core with a bigger CCD so no?
S h r i n k.As a quick preview of our extensive tests on the following pages, the flagship Ryzen 9 7950X makes incredible gains — it’s up to 15% faster at gaming, 21% faster in single-threaded work, and 45% faster in threaded work...
I think this is because there is more memory bandwidth and because the TDP is higher. Notably advantages that Zen5 won't have over Zen4.45% faster in threaded work...
It's also a shrink.I think this is because there is more memory bandwidth and because the TDP is higher. Notably advantages that Zen5 won't have over Zen4.
I fully expect 1T improvement to be much higher than nT.
If you limited the 5950X and 7950X to 65W the MT performance is something around 70% more. So maybe it will depend if you measure at max TDP or at a lower.I think this is because there is more memory bandwidth and because the TDP is higher. Notably advantages that Zen5 won't have over Zen4.
I fully expect 1T improvement to be much higher than nT.
Is there something we are in disagreement on?S h r i n k.
That's a shrink, nT gains are all shrink iso CC.
Learn to read.
Well, you stated that MT uplift is "usually" higher than ST uplift gen on gen. He said, that this does not hold true considering ISO process. Then, you came up with Zen3 vs. Zen4 in order to prove your point, which, as he stated, is the opposite of ISO process.Is there something we are in disagreement on?
What do you mean by "ISO process"? The situation when the the CPUs in comparison are made at the same manufacturing process?Well, you stated that MT uplift is "usually" higher than ST uplift gen on gen. He said, that this does not hold true considering ISO process. Then, you came up with Zen3 vs. Zen4 in order to prove your point, which, as he stated, is the opposite of ISO process.
Hope, this helps.
I know, but I prefer people addressing each other in a proper manner. Hence my comment.Well, you stated that MT uplift is "usually" higher than ST uplift gen on gen. He said, that this does not hold true considering ISO process. Then, you came up with Zen3 vs. Zen4 in order to prove your point, which, as he stated, is the opposite of ISO process.
Hope, this helps.
Yes. Note that Zen 5 and Zen 4 are on similar processes. The process used for Zen 5 is technically better, but the savings are offset by larger cores.What do you mean by "ISO process"? The situation when the the CPUs in comparison are made at the same manufacturing process?
This is kinda perplexing for me, why would they use 8 Zen 6 cores if Strix Halo is rumoured to be using 16 Zen 5 cores(which I doubt it does), but also the iGPU being rumoured to skip RDNA 4 isn't good news for their RDNA 4 dGPUs either. And....why are they using GDDR RAM for the iGPU when Strix Halo is supposed to use LPDDR5X shared RAM? Hmmmmm....Someone needs to create the Zen 6 thread!
Zen 6 & RDNA 5 Linked to AMD "Medusa" Ryzen Client CPUs
The mysterious Zen 6 "Morpheus" processor architecture was leaked accidentally by an AMD engineer's LinkedIn profile—news outlets picked up on this information last April. Naturally, Team Red's next priority is Zen 5—the latest reports suggest that two different chiplet designs are penciled in...www.techpowerup.com
i see, thank you for explanation.Yes. Note that Zen 5 and Zen 4 are on similar processes. The process used for Zen 5 is technically better, but the savings are offset by larger cores.
Without a major shrink, Zen 5 cores will need more thermal and power headroom for nT and thus nT gains are usually smaller in those types of cases.
tl;dr
Single core gains are not power limited
multicore gains are and bigger cores means more power needed.
because there is both a Strix and Strix Halo ,This is kinda perplexing for me, why would they use 8 Zen 6 cores if Strix Halo is rumoured to be using 16 Zen 5 cores(which I doubt it does), but also the iGPU being rumoured to skip RDNA 4 isn't good news for their RDNA 4 dGPUs either. And....why are they using GDDR RAM for the iGPU when Strix Halo is supposed to use LPDDR5X shared RAM? Hmmmmm....
It has 12 Zen 6 cores acording to that.This is kinda perplexing for me, why would they use 8 Zen 6 cores if Strix Halo is rumoured to be using 16 Zen 5 cores(which I doubt it does), but also the iGPU being rumoured to skip RDNA 4 isn't good news for their RDNA 4 dGPUs either. And....why are they using GDDR RAM for the iGPU when Strix Halo is supposed to use LPDDR5X shared RAM? Hmmmmm....
Look closer at the post.This is kinda perplexing for me, why would they use 8 Zen 6 cores if Strix Halo is rumoured to be using 16 Zen 5 cores(which I doubt it does), but also the iGPU being rumoured to skip RDNA 4 isn't good news for their RDNA 4 dGPUs either. And....why are they using GDDR RAM for the iGPU when Strix Halo is supposed to use LPDDR5X shared RAM? Hmmmmm....
Oh fair enough then the fine print is so tinyLook closer at the post.
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It's a speculative take on a PS6 APU, and it has 72 CU at that.
There's no way that AMD is jumping from 4O CU to 72 CU in PC APUs in a single generation.
Dafuq... Zen 6 cores on two separate dies?Look closer at the post.
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It's a speculative take on a PS6 APU, and it has 72 CU at that.
There's no way that AMD is jumping from 4O CU to 72 CU in PC APUs in a single generation.
No?if i remember correct @adroc_thurston said AMD decided not to do another "halo" part after strix ?
I'm guessing the LP cores would be too weak to handle gaming stuff so maybe they are just meant for OS threads. Then the big cores don't get interrupted by having to relinquish control and give their time slices to the OS threads. Should result in fewer hitches and more smoothness in frames.I like that layout. I've always thought they should throw some cores on the IO die or GPU. Just a quad to do housekeeping.
They could run background stuff and games would only use eight cores.Dafuq... Zen 6 cores on two separate dies?
What is the meaning of "ISO" here?Well, you stated that MT uplift is "usually" higher than ST uplift gen on gen. He said, that this does not hold true considering ISO process. Then, you came up with Zen3 vs. Zen4 in order to prove your point, which, as he stated, is the opposite of ISO process.
Hope, this helps.
What is the meaning of "ISO" here?
Is it "in search of"? Or may be "incentive stock option", or, wait... in chemistry "iso" means isomeric substances?
Apparently instead of writing same process node, although I thought zen5 would use a different node than zen4.What is the meaning of "ISO" here?
Is it "in search of"? Or may be "incentive stock option", or, wait... in chemistry "iso" means isomeric substances?