To take an extra REDACTED example:What are these AVX512 heavy apps? Except PS3 emulator.
Dolphin Benchmark ???What are these AVX512 heavy apps? Aside of PS3 emulator.
Obviously there is not going to be an NPU in Turin. From which almost inevitably follows that there won't be an NPU in Granit Ridge. These optimizations they spoke of consist of AVX-VNNI support, and perhaps similar added or just widened features.AMD has only mentioned that it'll have "Integrated AI and Machine learning optimizations". But are we expecting that to mean a dedicated NPU?
What are these AVX512 heavy apps? Aside of PS3 emulator.
There will be niche cases in which the vector pipelines can be fed out of the level 3 caches. These cases will be power-limited rather than main memory bandwidth limited (but will certainly make better use of the power available than Zen 4).Some math stuff but they're all limited by the bandwidth available.
I'm sorry but where is that obvious?Obviously there is not going to be an NPU in Turin. From which almost inevitably follows that there won't be an NPU in Granit Ridge. These optimizations they spoke of consist of AVX-VNNI support, and perhaps similar added or just widened features.
AI PC meme gimmick is for laptops, includes rebates too.
forget about it elsewhere.
no.
it's just MS schizo wank, same as laptop touchscreens ca2012.
no it's not rofl.If Microsoft says it's a checkbox feature for Windows PCs to have an NPU with 40+ TOPS going forward, it'll be a deal breaker for a lot of regular PC buyers going forward if a PC does not comply with the requirements whether you like it or not.
no one cares bro.But there is still the technical aspect as to whether Zen5 DT PCs would be able to achieve the 40 TOPS through other means than a dedicated NPU. E.g. would be is possible to do it using regular CPU instructions such as AVX512? Or some of the other AI related improvements AMD has hinted at when they communicated that Zen5 will have "Integrated AI and Machine learning optimizations", whatever that means?
Can you use the GPU for that stuff instead, if your CPU does not have it?If Microsoft says it's a checkbox feature for Windows PCs to have an NPU with 40+ TOPS going forward, it'll be a deal breaker for a lot of regular PC buyers going forward if a PC does not comply with the requirements whether you like it or not.
Anyway, we can argue whether or not it's a good requirement. But there is still the technical aspect as to whether Zen5 DT PCs would be able to achieve the 40 TOPS through other means than a dedicated NPU. E.g. would be is possible to do it using regular CPU instructions such as AVX512? Or some of the other AI related improvements AMD has hinted at when they communicated that Zen5 will have "Integrated AI and Machine learning optimizations", whatever that means?
Obviously there is not going to be an NPU in Turin.
Microsoft's NPU specs are for inferencing locally on the host (in the client segment). A Turin based host which is meant to be mainly used for inferencing will be equipped with accelerator boards formerly known as GPUs.I'm sorry but where is that obvious?
Meta, Google, MS, enough Chinese companies that the U.S Govt blocked China from importing, AMD, Nvidia, OpenAI, Tesla, and possibly another 20 corpos without enough money to actually pour into it are into AI.no it's not rofl.
It's just Nutella being deluded and desperate enough to not miss another big thing (MS skipped online advertisement and phones in case you forgot).
no one cares bro.
Yes but I suspect MS doesn't want to support a GPU vendor (which would 100% mean Nvidia alone). They want something that is vendor agnostic, which doesn't exist in the GPU world right now, so its x64 all the way...inb4 the Arm meme.Can you use the GPU for that stuff instead, if your CPU does not have it?
How much TOPS does 4090 have?
Thanks. I just did not know if its possible to offload whatever that NPU is supposed to be computing to the GPU, or the hardware for it has to be part of the CPU. I mean, whether asking this to be ran on GPU would not be akin to running windows itself on GPU.Yes but I suspect MS doesn't want to support a GPU vendor (which would 100% mean Nvidia alone). They want something that is vendor agnostic, which doesn't exist in the GPU world right now, so its x64 all the way...inb4 the Arm meme.
AI PC meme gimmick is for laptops, includes rebates too.
forget about it elsewhere.
no.
it's just MS schizo wank, same as laptop touchscreens ca2012.
Ehhh, we're probably splitting hairs tbh. It's a pretty nice uplift regardless of how you slice it.I don't think it's 40% at the cost of 25% more power. I think it's 50% at the cost of 25% more power.
40% is IPC. Not core. And it may be 20% more power, not 25%...no info, just a feeling.
I'm honestly not sure. AI is mostly a tech meme for now...and it'll have severe backlash since MS is MS. They are a fundamentally awful corporation, many people distrust them.No. You're out of the loop. Check box features is what sells. Everyone is aware of the AI hype these days. Even your grandma. Whether you like it or not.
If a PC doesn't have the "AI PC" sticker, regular Joe will skip it.
A lot of PCs are sold without dedicated GPU. E.g. a lot of office PCs. So companies will want the 40 TOPS though other means, to be "AI PC" compliant.Can you use the GPU for that stuff instead, if your CPU does not have it?
Sure for gamers, that'll work. But regular office PCs do not have 4090. Or GB200 for that matter. They'll instead be relying on whatever the CPU provides (iGPU, NPU, AI acceleration CPU instructions, ...).How much TOPS does 4090 have?
Yeah, you have come to common sense. Performance numbers are not IPC uplifts.Sorry I have to put a little bit of a dampener on things. Now obviously I can't confirm 100% the SPECInt numbers are true (I mean, everyone I've talked to has tried to convince me they are, but like... come on those numbers are crazy, can you blame me?)
Poor Granite Ridge desktops. They won't meet or exceed the requirement for 1 or more copilot keys on the keyboard. It's doomed.If a PC doesn't have the "AI PC" sticker, regular Joe will skip it.
Not doomed. But it'll affect sales negatively in a substantial way, unless AMD has some alternative way of achieving 40 TOPS on Zen5 DT than via a dedicated NPU.Poor Granite Ridge desktops. They won't meet or exceed the requirement for 1 or more copilot keys on the keyboard. It's doomed.
rent freeAnd adroc already realized his mistake and he won't talk about 40% IPC and BS about $999/$549 anymore...
no one cares.No. You're out of the loop. Check box features is what sells. Everyone is aware of the AI hype these days. Even your grandma. Whether you like it or not.
If a PC doesn't have the "AI PC" sticker, regular Joe will skip it.
Seeing as AMD mostly play in the DIY market on desktop... A dGPU? Pretty much any modern dGPU meets the requirement.Not doomed. But it'll affect sales negatively in a substantial way, unless AMD has some alternative way of achieving 40 TOPS on Zen5 DT than via a dedicated NPU.
AMD themselves have hinted at that Zen5 will have "Integrated AI and Machine learning optimizations". So obviously they too know it's important. Possibly it means they have a solution for it.