Zen 4 already has the requisite instructions to quote stupid TOP numbers.Not doomed. But it'll affect sales negatively in a substantial way, unless AMD has some alternative way of achieving 40 TOPS on Zen5 DT.
What are these AVX512 heavy apps? Aside of PS3 emulator.
What do you mean by "requisite instructions"? Are you saying it's the same as used by a dedicated NPU?Zen 4 already has the requisite instructions to quote stupid TOP numbers.
Zen 5 adds a second store unit. Granite Ridge at 5 GHz will exceed requirement on CPU alone.
For someone that is supposedly so informed on unreleased hardware you have a very strange view of the laptop market. IDK why you're obsessed about touchscreen laptops but surely you know they still exist and are made new and not just by microsoft either. right?Just like no one cared about touchscreen laptops.
Not speaking for adroc, but an enthusiast, I could care less about touchscreen laptops, or AI. And since ALL EPYC motherboards I have ever seen come with a video card controller on-board, who cares. And as soon as it is up, you can use remote software to make bios changes and other on-board changes. The only AI I have seen work is dumb, and I could care less about AI. AI is a cute catch word, but I have not seen any real AI at work.For someone that is supposedly so informed on unreleased hardware you have a very strange view of the laptop market. IDK why you're obsessed about touchscreen laptops but surely you know they still exist and are made new and not just by microsoft either. right?
Anyways AI is huge, its big time and it matters to all of us. Strix will definitely have an NPU. OEMs basically never use the chiplet CPUs anyways so I doubt its really crossed AMDs mind. They'll have AI support on the products that matter most. Same reason why EPYC doesn't come with integrated graphics.
You are looking "where the puck was" instead of "where the puck will be in 5 minutes".I'm honestly not sure. AI is mostly a tech meme for now...and it'll have severe backlash since MS is MS. They are a fundamentally awful corporation, many people distrust them.
You can easily imagine what'll happen when a generally distrusted megacorp starts shipping "Microsoft AI" in it. Lord knows there will be controversies.
Regular Joe may just want his PC to allow him to internet and game and talk to friends. I'm not certain it'll be anything MS hopes it to be. But you don't argue hypes, you just ride them or get swallowed by them.
Consumer AI is mostly pretty dumb, why would I want a glorified Clippy?Not speaking for adroc, but an enthusiast, I could care less about touchscreen laptops, or AI. And since ALL EPYC motherboards I have ever seen come with a video card controller on-board, who cares. And as soon as it is up, you can use remote software to make bios changes and other on-board changes. The only AI I have seen work is dumb, and I could care less about AI. AI is a cute catch word, but I have not seen any real AI at work.
Touch panels are an option in a very nominal way but Windows UX no longer has anything to do with touch panels.IDK why you're obsessed about touchscreen laptops but surely you know they still exist and are made new and not just by microsoft either. right?
why would party tricks matter?Anyways AI is huge, its big time and it matters to all of us.
Because MS wants the checkbox.Strix will definitely have an NPU
same place."where the puck will be in 5 minutes".
Yeah, microscopic TAM overall.I've used it for some video and photo work where it works better and faster than anything I could do manually, and there are lots of professionel uses in medical and other analytical work where lots of similar data needs to be processed and extracted data from.
Am I?You are looking "where the puck was" instead of "where the puck will be in 5 minutes".
VNNI = Vector Neural Network Instructions. Zen 4 has them.What do you mean by "requisite instructions"? Are you saying it's the same as used by a dedicated NPU?
If so, it sounds good. Do you have any TOPS performance numbers when using those CPU instructions on Zen4 and Zen5?
And will it exceed the required 40 TOPS even on 6C AMD Zen5 DT CPUs, or only on 8/12/16C+ CPUs?
lol so? Microsoft does a lot of funny things and its not like you need metro to run a touch screen. Heres the kicker, if people didn't care about them, they wouldn't buy them. OEMs would never make a product that doesn't sell. I'm not passionate about touch screen devices but there is a difference between you not caring about a touchscreen or AI, and the customers/OEMs not caring.Touch panels are an option in a very nominal way but Windows UX no longer has anything to do with touch panels.
The last remains of Win8 were excavated outta the OS in Win11 in case you forgot that.
We asked the price of Copilot for Microsoft365 as a school license A1....around $349/user and $1000 for initial setup yeah not going to happen.Am I?
Where's the large crowd of AI Hype customers then?
Yeah my thoughts exactly.AI is definitely not a party trick and once everyone can easily run GPT
ML maybe not pointless but a 40 TOP NPU inside of a system that has a 200-1300 TOP GPU is *pretty much* pointless.AI is definitely not a party trick and once everyone can easily run GPT or SD without having to pay money and make accounts and such I think this sentiment will completely go away.
I mean yeah thats basically what I meant in my first reply. OEMs are either going to stick APUs in a tower and call it good, or if they're going to bother with a dGPU then a cheaper chiplet CPU makes more sense. And so AMD doesn't need to bother with things like AI optimizations on the CPU arch itself when they have a better solution in every other use case.A 40 TOP NPU inside of a system that has a 200-1300 TOP GPU is *pretty much* pointles
MS skipped online advertisement and phones in case you forgot).
Nooooot quite.MS didn't skip phones, they clearly failed at phones twice that I remember.
Dont forget they bought Nokia.
Those are party tricks lmao.GPT or SD
but they do. All the time.OEMs would never make a product that doesn't sell.
They effectively did by rebooting their phone efforts twice with no continuity (WP7 and WP8 both).MS didn't skip phones, they clearly failed at phones twice that I remember.
YES YOU DO.its not like you need metro to run a touch screen.
Only to someone who doesn't make anything. In that same sense cores are party tricks and nobody needs more than 4c/8t.Those are party tricks lmao.
So wouldn't you think after almost two decades of touch screen computing on windows being a thing they'd stop making them? So charitable of the OEMs to sell touchscreen PCs at a loss for so long, very brave. lmaobut they do. All the time.
No, they just are.Only to someone who doesn't make anything
A party trick is a party trick. Like clippy, or wordart templates.In that same sense cores are party tricks and nobody needs more than 4c/8t.
It's an option that doesn't impact anything at this point.So wouldn't you think after almost two decades of touch screen computing on windows being a thing they'd stop making them?
Oh but they're not selling touchscreen PCs, just a panel option for laptops here and there.So charitable of the OEMs to sell touchscreen PCs at a loss for so long, very brave. lmao
Computex and WWDC 2024.Am I?
Where's the large crowd of AI Hype customers then?
Cinebench is a ray tracing renderer which should be pretty SIMD heavy.For reference, rough numbers for Zen 4:
7950X Single ~125, Multi ~2200
7900X Single ~120, Multi ~1650
~36% improvement if real. Don't know if that's plausible.
Can I petition for the Silicon Gang to bait WTFTech as their next target?LMAO
AI Craze May Have Nerfed AMD's & Intel's Upcoming Chips: Strix APUs Originally Had Big Cache Which Boosted CPU & iGPU Performance
The recent AI craze may have nerfed some upcoming SOCs as chipmakers such as AMD & Intel prioritize NPU over other core IPs.wccftech.com
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