It is not, because on a 51Wh battery it last 8.8h when idle, this amount to 5.8W idle, so the issue is both the implementation as well as the power adapter that seems to have an ineficient power factor correction circuitry because power at the main is about 15W when idle.
sigh, AMD Hawk Point sucks for tablets, this tablet also has a fan and has heating problems despite having enough heatpipes. I heard this song and dance before but Zen 5 really needs to excel in tablets/thin n lights.
The idle usage is 10W! and battery life is pathetic.
I do think its is on the low side for a tablet on a 51Wh battery. Hawk Point wasn't the right choice here. I would say anthing over 15hrs on idle is good.It is not, because on a 51Wh battery it last 8.8h when idle, that amount to 5.8W idle, so the issue is both the implementation a well as the power adapter that seems to have an ineficient power factor correction circuitry because power at the main is about 15W when idle.
With a comparable battery and a 7840U, wich is basically the same APU, a Lenovo laptop last 12h on Wifi websurfing, not just idling, so the bios or power management used by Framework is somewhat not up to the device, or possibly a power hungry screen.I do think its is on the low side for a tablet on a 51Wh battery. Hawk Point wasn't the right choice here. I would say anthing over 15hrs on idle is good.
Kind of weird they measured an average idle of 5.6 watts then go on to show 12h battery life in a web surfing (not idle) test, which even if it was the same power consumption as idle at 5.6W it would require a 67Wh battery.With a comparable battery and a 7840U, wich is basically the same APU, a Lenovo laptop last 12h on Wifi websurfing, not just idling, so the bios or power management used by Framework is somewhat not up to the device, or possibly a power hungry screen.
It goes down to 3.3W, and dont forget the adaptator losses as very few have below 3W idle power, that s the typical power drained by a quality AC adaptator when unplugged from the laptop, so the numbers makes sense, BTW best 70W adaptator i had drained 1.8W idling, and that s after i moded its power factor correction circuity.Kind of weird they measured an average idle of 5.6 watts then go on to show 12h battery life in a web surfing (not idle) test, which even if it was the same power consumption as idle at 5.6W it would require a 67Wh battery.
yeah thats a much better result.With a comparable battery and a 7840U, wich is basically the same APU, a Lenovo laptop last 12h on Wifi websurfing, not just idling, so the bios or power management used by Framework is somewhat not up to the device, or possibly a power hungry screen.
"ThinkPad T14 Gen 4 AMD." Isn't this a Zen 5 thread ??????yeah thats a much better result.
it is. I will move the topic over to Zen 4 thread."ThinkPad T14 Gen 4 AMD." Isn't this a Zen 5 thread ??????
Ok, what happens to gaming focused CPUs then, starting from Zen 6 and onwards?never.
You're looking at the wrong mobile part.Ok, what happens to gaming focused CPUs then, starting from Zen 6 and onwards?
You mentioned that Zen 6 desktop is only getting same silicon as mobile (aka APUs).
I'd be very surprised (to put it mildly) if AMD kills its popular high-cache gaming CPU lineup. Especially as Intel is rumored to respond with similar SKUs at some point.
So if L3 V-cache chiplets are EOL, this can only mean System Level Cache (SLC). On premium parts that could be on a chiplet *below* the cores, as is done on MI300 and (probably not but) possibly on Strix Halo.
So which is it for Zen 6?
- V-cache will remain on high end chiplet parts
- Will be replaced by MALL of similar size
- AMD kills off the entire (v-cache) consumer segment
I think Zen6 server version will have extra cache versions for sure. Desktop, it depends on how competitive Intel will be. But, with a more "exotic" package they probably can add cache in different ways, not only stacked on top (which limits the thermals). If they need additional cache, they may stack on the bottom or as an additional tile.You're looking at the wrong mobile part.
Strix Halo is probably a better glimpse as to where the future of desktop lies. Albeit I imagine a future desktop part would run a much smaller IOD with a much smaller iGPU than STX-Halo will have, the fundamentals will probably be the same.
You're looking at the wrong mobile part.
Strix Halo is probably a better glimpse as to where the future of desktop lies. Albeit I imagine a future desktop part would run a much smaller IOD with a much smaller iGPU than STX-Halo will have, the fundamentals will probably be the same.
I think Zen6 server version will have extra cache versions for sure. Desktop, it depends on how competitive Intel will be. But, with a more "exotic" package they probably can add cache in different ways, not only stacked on top (which limits the thermals). If they need additional cache, they may stack on the bottom or as an additional tile.
You're looking at the wrong mobile part.
Strix Halo is probably a better glimpse as to where the future of desktop lies. Albeit I imagine a future desktop part would run a much smaller IOD with a much smaller iGPU than STX-Halo will have, the fundamentals will probably be the same.
Why do you think that the IOD of Halo will not be 6nm? Is it already more or less confirmed to be N4 because of the iGPU part?One thing I am surprised about is that AMD is not leveraging 6nm node for IO, cache and memory controllers in Strix Halo. There would be less of a concern about the size of SLC.
Maybe AMD is not counting on a huge volume of sales to economize on die costs... Or, perhaps, the power overhead might still be too much for a mobile part, even if it is a fanout / RDL.
iGPU is combined with IO, Memory controllers, SLC cache on one die (based on most rumors) and that one die is going to be either 4nm or 3nm.Why do you think that the IOD of Halo will not be 6nm? Is it already more or less confirmed to be N4 because of the iGPU part?
no?Is it already more or less confirmed to be N4 because of the iGPU part?
no and no?if amd wants, strix halo could have em, they could even switch to 8 3dvcache cores and 16 zen5c cores
a) the node.i would bet so, there isn't another io part, and usually io is paired with gpu in these cases, also that would help with ram oc in the future
whoSome leakers have pointed out that the n4x node is not really happening, just n4p, which would be the same node
You can't, the firmware blob just doesn't support it.for the ddr straps, you most likely can, it's always a bios limitation, and smokeless have prove effective
well he has no idea.kepler if i remember correctly
AMD won't provide the f/w blobs for that.lpddr5 has already been overclocked on handhelds that way
Oh wow. lmao.i haven't read anyone needing firmware blobs to overclock ram on ddr or lpddr laptops
You really don't know how AMD SMUs and IMC fw init works huh.so i'm not really sure what you are talking about
We're all good friends, kiddo.you think you are better than kepler or other leakers
good question.what are you
I don't even work with them directly.bespoke amd worker that leaks stuff and likes weird anime songs
But you can't.i'll have fun overclocking the ram when it releases.
Oooh. Is this the first time you are saying Strix Halo will have it's own unique CCDs?no and no?
It uses a bespoke CCD made for itself. alone.
I've been saying that for over a year.Is this the first time you are saying Strix Halo will have it's own unique CCDs?
no and no?
It uses a bespoke CCD made for itself. alone.
it's a halo model, pay up.what would be the best selling model, with single CCD + V-Cache.