Doesn't look like Everest IPC though. It's more than clock speed increase above M3.
Apple aint dead yet! That Everest IPC still kicks everyone. Can Zen5 get this level of IPC?
The comment I quoted did not say which specific drivers. It only said AMD will not provide Win10 drivers for Strix. So I assume it relates to drivers necessary for running Win10.Have you stopped and thought about what drivers could have been meant?
Chipset drivers for big.LITTLE scheduling. But again, nobody is buying a Strix Win10 laptop in 2024.The comment I quoted did not say which specific drivers. It only said AMD will not provide Win10 drivers for Strix. So I assume it relates to drivers necessary for running Win10.
What drivers do you think it means?
If the above combo is true, AMD will be in trouble with Zen5.
There are folk out there that have posted large question marks on NVidia's current valuation;Could this mean less sales for nVidia of AI related HW to datacenters going forward, since (part of) the work will be done on client PCs instead?
Looking at the nVidia projections, their arrow has so far been pointing upwards for a long time with no end in sight.
Lmao, is this a joke? just noticed a lot of new people here with very similar responses.Well, a 5-10% IPC gain with clock regression is not at all surprising if I'll be honest. Just making the core wider and increasing total throughput, which appears to be what AMD has done, is actually a hilariously inefficient way to increase IPC on x86 due to register dependencies and memory/cache bottlenecks. Looks like the hype train has unsurprisingly derailed itself again.
God, Arrow Lake might actually be competitive at this rate.
Are you really suggesting there are anti-AMD bots on Anandtech of all places?Lmao, is this a joke? just noticed a lot of new people here with very similar responses.
There is not going to be a clock regression with Zen 5 because they are staying on the 5nm (N4). I think Intel will surprise a lot of people with Arrow Lake.Well, a 5-10% IPC gain with clock regression is not at all surprising if I'll be honest. Just making the core wider and increasing total throughput, which appears to be what AMD has done, is actually a hilariously inefficient way to increase IPC on x86 due to register dependencies and memory/cache bottlenecks. Looks like the hype train has unsurprisingly derailed itself again.
God, Arrow Lake might actually be competitive at this rate.
So true, Zen5% has been downgraded to Zen0%.Well, a 5-10% IPC gain with clock regression is not at all surprising if I'll be honest. Just making the core wider and increasing total throughput, which appears to be what AMD has done, is actually a hilariously inefficient way to increase IPC on x86 due to register dependencies and memory/cache bottlenecks. Looks like the hype train has unsurprisingly derailed itself again.
God, Arrow Lake might actually be competitive at this rate.
I'm not suggesting anything remotely related to that. If anything that's your own personal bias. Imagine waiting 2 years for 10% ST uplift, trash tier "leaks"Are you really suggesting there are anti-AMD bots on Anandtech of all places?
In what way? That it’ll perform better or worse than the expectation?I think Intel will surprise a lot of people with Arrow Lake.
You obviously haven't been around that timeSame energy.
There will be a clock regression if they run into a thermal wall by widening the core. I expect RPL-S level TDPs for high end GNR.There is not going to be a clock regression with Zen 5 because they are staying on the 5nm (N4). I think Intel will surprise a lot of people with Arrow Lake.
I've been around for long enough to know that without comprehensive evidence it is best to wait for the official product launch.You obviously haven't been around that time
But your earlier post suggests otherwise, comparing zen 5 pre launch to BD. How can you possibly reconcile these 2 opposing views is beyond me. And btw, BD news was at least a year prior to the meltdown.I've been around for long enough to know that without comprehensive evidence it is best to wait for the official product launch.
just noticed a lot of new people here with very similar responses.
Are you really suggesting there are anti-AMD bots on Anandtech of all places?
@Goop_reformed : So then what did you mean by the comment at the top above?I'm not suggesting anything remotely related to that.
Yeah, Zen5's going to get crushed under it's own hype train. That much has been obvious for a while now. As will Intel's idiotic "Royal Core" which is literally a reimplementation of Bulldozer.Pre-launch BD dividied the forum crowd to two groups:
* the hype train ppl - "all new architecture", "8 cores", "SMT killed by cluster", "FMA4!"
* the IPC fail ppl - "2 ALUs", "0.5 FPU", "16k L1D lmao"
On the other hand, Zen 5 has been hyped to the sky since that weird remark in that interview of AMD's Mr. Clark.
It's odd to see such hype, since you know. Zen 1-4 are definitely very successful designs but... AMD got definitely not a stellar track record of making "brand new things".
K8 was reiterated several times. K9 got cancelled completely. K10 mutated itself after many many years to Bulldozer. Initial 10h was late and plagued with low clocks and bugs. 45nm Bulldozer failed completely. 32nm Bulldozer almost brought the company down. 16h's followup did not make it. That ARM server almost did not make it. Skybridge/K12 got canned.
What's Moores law go to do with anything,Yeah, Zen5's going to get crushed under it's own hype train. That much has been obvious for a while now. As will Intel's idiotic "Royal Core" which is literally a reimplementation of Bulldozer.
People forget that Moore's law was taken out behind the barn and shot about a decade ago. Any performance improvements going forward are going to be incremental in nature.
That there several new posters talking trash all of sudden@Goop_reformed : So then what did you mean by the comment at the top above?
Like this, with no merits whatsoever.Yeah, Zen5's going to get crushed under it's own hype train. That much has been obvious for a while now. As will Intel's idiotic "Royal Core" which is literally a reimplementation of Bulldozer.
People forget that Moore's law was taken out behind the barn and shot about a decade ago. Any performance improvements going forward are going to be incremental in nature.
poor Tom ...
I posted the Killdozer for fun, not as a serious opinion.But your earlier post suggests otherwise, comparing zen 5 pre launch to BD. How can you possibly reconcile these 2 opposing views is beyond me. And btw, BD news was at least a year prior to the meltdown.
His time has not come (yet).poor Tom ...