All Florida Counties that used the butterly ballot should re-vote

[chess9]

I just heard Ms. Gold (?) from Palm Beach County and I agree with her. The ballot is defective and misleading. I believe a judge will order a re-vote for this most precious of American rights. Since most of Florida uses the ballot, that means the entire State of Florida would be up for the fight of the country's life! What a great historical moment.

Agree? Disagree?

 

[BoberFett]

Sounds good. If everyone gets a re-vote that is.

A re-vote in one small area will not only allow people who screwed up to fix their vote, but for people who voted correctly to change their vote. And how will they stop last minute campaigning?

 

[BigSmooth]

Republicans would fight a revote with every resource available because many Nader voters might switch to Gore after seeing how poorly Nader did nationally. Exit polls showed that Nader voters were highly skewed towards Gore "if they had to choose one".

 

[Ben88]

Looks like the state supreme court of Florida is going to have to make a crucial decision.

 

[juiio]

The ballot was made public before the election. Both the democrats and republicans agreed to use it. If Democrats had problems with the ballot, they should have voiced them then.

A revote is impossible and should not and will not occur.

 

[rickn]

I doubt they would allow people to vote again. If there is a big enough discrepancy in the ballot for peticular county, most likely a judge will make the final decision on who will win the state.

 

[Balt]

juiio is right. Say what you want about what should happen, but it won't.

 

[goog40]

But if the ballot itself is illegal who cares who agreed to use it? That doesn't make it any more legal. Bush loses the popular vote, and should have lost Florida. It will be a sad day indeed if Bush goes on to be President despite not being the choice of the people.

 

[denali]

That is a terible idea. Every voter got a copy of the ballot before the election and they had no complaits according to the county clerk. The county clerk said she went with this format so that all the names could be seen at once, because she used bigger type so the eldery could read the names easier. If you can not read the ballot correctly after having one mailed to you before the election I don't see where you have a right to complain.

 

[Entity]

<< Exit polls showed >>


That Florida was owned by Gore.



Rob

 

[Feisters]

There was absolutely nothing wrong or confusing with that ballot. It's not Bush's fault if people can't follow an arrow to a punch hole. The Democrats are just whinning. And here's the kicker: the person who designed the ballot is a Democrat! And she defended the design!

The Dems will stop at nothing, legal or illegal, to grab power. They are intoxicated with the notion of being in power and controlling your life.

 

[BigSmooth]

Entity: I don't usually believe in exit polls either, but I'm pretty sure that most Nader voters would have picked Gore over Bush, condsidering the Green Party's platform.

 

[dc]

a revote would be a mockery of the voting system.

pic of the ballot here. that's a pretty clear ballot. there's a freakin arrow pointing to the hole for goodness sakes.

 

[IBhacknU]

a re-vote is just plain WRONG. No other way about it. They have all the ballots already (or they will once the overseas one come in). Those are legal and official documents, agreed to by both sides prior to the election.

So to answer your question once again, No. There should not be a re-vote!

 

[konichiwa]

<<The Dems will stop at nothing, legal or illegal, to grab power. They are intoxicated with the notion of being in power and controlling your life.>>

And the republicans aren't?

 

[Entity]

bigsmooth,

I agree. I was just having some fun with you.

I voted Gore, and think that a re-vote is a bad idea. I agree that some supporters of Nader would possibly switch votes to the Gore campaign, and with no logistical way to stop that, there is just too much risk for additional fraud involved. Buchanon got 2000 of Gore's votes? Sorry, try again in 2004. Hope we can come up with a better candidate then (next time around, I'm voting Bradley).

Rob

 

[JellyBaby]

<< They are intoxicated with the notion of being in power and controlling your life. >>

Both sides are obsessed with power. But last I checked, the Rs still control both the house and senate.

My take: a recount is fully justified, a revote is not.

 

[BigSmooth]

From an AP report:

<< &quot;It was so hard to tell who and what you were voting for. I couldn't figure it out, and I have a doctorate,&quot; voter Eileen Klasfeld said.

Boca Raton resident Blake Smith incorrectly punched his ballot and had to ask for a second card.

&quot;When I went to push the one for president, I pushed one and it seemed to be just below the office of vice president. It seemed like I had to push one for vice president, too. Then I saw I had accidentally voted twice,&quot; Smith said. >>

Looking at the ballot, I really am wondering what university managed to grant a degree to Ms. Klasfeld.

 

[chess9]

First of all, why are we using a 100 year old system for balloting? Why haven't Russ and CompuWiz patented a computer program for voting? Really, the voting process is archaic and is kept that way to protect the jobs of election commission employees and keep people from voting.

Secondly, the design of the ballot is intrinsically flawed. The design flaw is not readily apparent. The fact that no one complained about the ballot before the election SUPPORTS the idea that the design is flawed. Now that the ballot has been used and the design flaw discovered, it is time to correct this egregious violation of our most precious right in a democracy. My first thought was that the ballot should be fixed now without regard to the votes mis-cast. But upon re-thinking this, it is not fair to the voter to have her vote stripped from her because of an intrinsic design flaw.

This will go to a court here in Florida. Florida's lawyers will take almost anything to court anyway and this is a substantial issue, in my not so humble opinion.

I do not see this matter being resolved in a short time frame unless one of the candidates agrees to step aside. I don't see that happening. We may have Clinton for 4 more years!!! Bwuahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!! <chortle, gag, sniff, and giggle>

Edit: I've just spoken to my lawyer, Buzz, and he says the Florida Supreme Court is one of the most liberal in the country. If the case gets that far, he thinks a re-vote will be ordered. Whoa!!! (Caveat: Buzz is a Minnesota liberal, so you gotta figure that into any advice he gives you, donja know.)

 

[Tripleshot]

>>>The Dems will stop at nothing, legal or illegal, to grab power. They are intoxicated with the notion of being in power and controlling your life.<<<

Your arguing the ballots are good even if they are not what the voter intended would lead me to believe substituting &quot;Dems&quot; with &quot;Repubs&quot; is more fitting than your answer.

Especially since Gore owns the popular vote! allowing the voters who where affected by this stupid machine to re cast there votes without posibility to screw it up would more than likely give Gore the popular vote in Florida as well. That is what the people are saying.

Quit your snivvling and let this play out without the bashing and name calling enherent in confrintational dialog we have endured for weeks here. Use some of that &quot;compassionate conservitism&quot; your candidate spoke of.

 

[Russ]

See signature.

Russ, NCNE

 

[perry]

Revote? You've gotta be kidding me! That leaves the entire voting process wide open for corruption. If you can't figure out the stinkin ballot ask someone at the polling place, look closer at the ballot. Then again, if you can't figure the thing out maybe you shouldn't be voting in the first place. I've seen two pictures of the thing (the one posted in this thread and one on MSNBC.com or CNN.com) and it looks pretty easy to handle.

To quote Apu, &quot;Thank you, come again.&quot; See the loser (whoever it turns out to be) in 4 years.

 

[BlkDragon6]

That would be nice, but there were reports of elderly people not sure, asking the people working the ballots, and even they were not completely sure. I think the real answer lies in the numbers. 3407 votes for Buchanan in a county with 304 registered reform party members. Last minute rally by the reform party eh?

 

[chess9]

Ok, more from Buzz. He says the ballot has a &quot;latent&quot; ambiguity. In other words, it isn't readily apparent that it has a problem. He thinks the courts will take sympathy on the elderly voters because the judges are mostly elderly and it is &quot;facially obvious a mistake is easy to make.&quot;

I see millions of dollars going to lawyers. On the other hand, Gore might win the election if the courts order a revote. Oh, that would be so sweet-to have the legal process help the little guy for once! )

 

[chess9]

Drat!