Harvey Weinstein sexually assaults women

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Anyone on the political left ought to be very wary of being seduced by the glamour and fame of Hollywood types or celebs in general. Wealth and power can corrupt almost anyone. And the left does seem as prone as anyone to forget the idea that people are all of equal value, having the same tendency to be overawed by the rich and famous as everyone else (just they worship different types of celeb to the right).
 

sdifox

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Anyone on the political left ought to be very wary of being seduced by the glamour and fame of Hollywood types or celebs in general. Wealth and power can corrupt almost anyone. And the left does seem as prone as anyone to forget the idea that people are all of equal value, having the same tendency to be overawed by the rich and famous as everyone else (just they worship different types of celeb to the right).


I don't care what their professions are, power abusers are power abusers and should be routed.
 
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Lifer
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I don't care what their professions are, power abusers are power abusers and should be routed.

Can't disagree with that, though that I think it's the existence of power imbalances that's the problem, as people will always be morally flawed, so need to be saved from themselves by not being given the power to become abusive.

[Edit - the dilemma is how do you remove power-imbalances as doing that requires the exercise of power?]

And I've seen plenty of leftists become starry-eyed and uncritical when someone with a bit of glamour and status seems to side with them (just one example, Naomi Wolf's hagiographic articles about Madonna).
 

sdifox

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Can't disagree with that, though that I think it's the existence of power imbalances that's the problem, as people will always be morally flawed, so need to be saved from themselves by not being given the power to become abusive.

And I've seen plenty of leftists become starry-eyed and uncritical when someone with a bit of glamour and status seems to side with them (just one example, Naomi Wolf's hagiographic articles about Madonna).


Again, political leaning is not part of the equation. It just distracts from the real issue.
 

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Again, political leaning is not part of the equation. It just distracts from the real issue.

Well, it's not totally irrelevant because part of being on the left (if you ask me) is being suspicious of power imbalances and not treating some people as inherently better than others. So it's particularly depressing when leftists become overawed by fame and glamour. The right never even pretends to be egalitarian in the first place, so it's quite consistent for them to admire and defer to the rich. It's more hypocritical when the left does it. And more depressing.
I say that as much as a reminder to myself as anything.
 

pauldun170

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The stupid is strong with this thread.

There are reasons why we have feminist movements and sexual harassment laws.
People talking about "the left" or Hillary have outed themselves.
 

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I don't care what their professions are, power abusers are power abusers and should be routed.

Problem is that they will be replaced by other people doing the same thing because it is a systematic thing.

Power corrupts. Won't change if you put a different pawn there.
 

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I really don't care. It's not like "Hollywood" is producing anything worthy. That being said, weinstein should be thoroughly investigated for rape charges. There is no excuse for raping someone. And for those whom have been groped long ago and said nothing, shame on you. You should have opened your mouth long ago but wanted that acting career.
 

emperus

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Well for starters, he's taking down a bunch of notable people with him. Like Hilary for example:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...einstein-response_us_59deb426e4b00abf36463918

“Know what Hillary Clinton is NOT? She’s not stupid. Or unsophisticated about the world. The Weinstein stories had been out there for years.”

http://deadline.com/2017/10/obama-harvey-weinstein-statement-sexual-harassement-assault-1202185921/

CNN said:

“This is a real blot on the records of both the Obama and Clinton families, that they were so blind to this – willfully blind – for so long.”

But maybe that's why you think this is a non-issue? If so, keep your head buried in the sand.

You guys are so self unaware. You have Mr. Grab them by the PUSSY as president. Why do you think anything the Clintons have done is worse that what the president has done. My gosh. You should be outraged that we have as president and as a role model to children, a man who admitted to sexual assault.

Weinstein is an asshole, but when you have a current Republican president who has done the same, I can't even understand the outrage on the right. Take a seat.
 
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jmagg

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You guys are so self unaware. You have Mr. Grab them by the PUSSY as president. Why do you think anything the Clinton have done is worse that what the president has done. My gosh. You should be outraged that we have as president as role a role model to children a man who admitted to sexual assault.

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HW is a piece of work. Saw story where he grabbed Terry Crews by the nuts right in front of Crew's wife. Terry wanted to kill him right there but he knew what the headlines would have said the next day. Big black guy beats up movie exec. Taj and Ackmed posting about how black thugs beat up white people. Same story for him, wanted a career. Crews starred in Everybody Hates Chris and is a former NFL player. He's a big dude.
When the hell have I ever posted that shit?
 

emperus

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I should put it in terms most on the right profess to understand.

Matthew 7:3 (NIV)
3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
 

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What sort of moron thinks political bent is relevant when it comes to a topic like this? Good job on getting yourself propagandized and brainwashed, how about growing some independent thought?

Rapists, murderers, pedophiles and thieves come in all stripes and colours, political bent is irrelevant. How does it make fanatical Republicans feel better that a liberal movie producer enjoys sexual harassing and assaulting just like the POTUS
is?

Given the choice between having a POS raper who makes movies in my country or having the leader of my country be a POS raper, I think I'm going with the former!
 

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What sort of moron thinks political bent is relevant when it comes to a topic like this? Good job on getting yourself propagandized and brainwashed, how about growing some independent thought?

Rapists, murderers, pedophiles and thieves come in all stripes and colours, political bent is irrelevant. How does it make fanatical Republicans feel better that a liberal movie producer enjoys sexual harassing and assaulting just like the POTUS
is?

Given the choice between having a POS raper who makes movies in my country or having the leader of my country be a POS raper, I think I'm going with the former!
Fox News and the rest of conservative media began shitting this narrative the instant the story broke. Conservatives can't help but regurgitate it every chance they get. They have zero self-awareness.
 

1prophet

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I for one was completely shocked to find out that a Hollywood mogul abused his position in order to get laid. I'm just glad we have a bastion of morality in the White House that can stand up to these predators. I was so wrong about the election. Thank you, conservatives, for helping the nation avoid complete catastrophe.


That bastion of morality in the White House as you call it is there because of the continuing lowering of economic standards thanks to trickle down corporate America combined with the moral decay and lowering of ethical and moral standards in which Hollywood and their ilk play no small part continually brainwashing Americans 24/7 through the media, in effect helping make things like "pussy grabbing" not big enough of a deal to have someone drop out of a political race when in the past it would have instantly killed any politicians career.

As for Weinstein he just didn't abuse his power to get laid but shut down earlier news stories about him in the supposedly unbiased media as well as getting the DA in New York City to drop sex assault allegations.

Something that many are complaining Trump wants to do now to the media and his ongoing attempts to obstruct justice in the current investigation on him,

and for all those who believe that weinstein and other celebrities shouldn't be held to the same criticism as politicians, the moment they open their wallets or use their celebrity bully pulpit to influence elections and politicians they are no longer innocent concerned citizens who shouldn't be judged or criticized like politicians.

But while the Times gloated over its latest triumph of holding the powerful to account, one former NYT reporter revealed that America’s paper of record had, for more than a decade, helped shield Weinstein, going so far as to kill a story about Weinstein’s history of paying off women whom he’d sexually harassed.

Sharon Waxman, the founding editor of The Wrap and formerly an entertainment industry reporter at the Times, revealed in a blog post published Sunday that she had reported out a similar story back in 2004, only for it to be quashed by top editors at the paper, who, instead of encouraging her to pursue the story, questioned its value and relevance after Weinstein had reportedly made a personal appeal demanding that it not be run.

Waxman applauded the two reporters who broke the story, saying she knows how difficult reporting on powerful industry figures like Weinstein can be. But she could only scoff at a column written by Times’ media columnist Jim Rutenberg blasting Weinstein’s “media enablers”, who had rerportedly turned a blind eye to his problematic behavior for decades. After all, she said, when it comes to keeping stories about Weinstein’s disturbing behavior from seeing the light of day, the Times was as complicit as anyone.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...ly-donated-10g-manhattan-da-article-1.3544121
Harvey Weinstein’s lawyer allegedly donated $10G to Manhattan DA who declined to pursue sexual assault charges in 2015

Shortly after Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance, Jr. declined to pursue sexual assault charges against Harvey Weinstein in 2015, the producer’s lawyer allegedly donated $10,000 to the DA’s office.
David Boies, Weinstein’s personal layer, dropped $10,000 in August 2015, according to the International Business Times.
Four months earlier, Vance’s office announced that Weinstein would face no charges after being accused of groping a young Italian model.
Ambra Battilana, then 22, claimed in March 2015 that she met Weinstein at the red-carpet premiere of his Radio City “New York Spring Spectacular.” He then invited her back to his Manhattan office to talk business, she said.
At that point, Battilana said, the married father-of-five groped her breasts and reached up her skirt.
 
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What sort of moron thinks political bent is relevant when it comes to a topic like this? Good job on getting yourself propagandized and brainwashed, how about growing some independent thought?

Rapists, murderers, pedophiles and thieves come in all stripes and colours, political bent is irrelevant. How does it make fanatical Republicans feel better that a liberal movie producer enjoys sexual harassing and assaulting just like the POTUS
is?

Given the choice between having a POS raper who makes movies in my country or having the leader of my country be a POS raper, I think I'm going with the former!
Have you watched any Hollywood award show in the last year? Last 10 years? How about some late night comedy? If so you'd know exactly why this is perceived as at least a some what partisan story
 

HomerJS

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Yeah that doesn't say HW did it. I am under the impression that HW doesn't go both ways.
I stand corrected he didn't say HW. That grab a lot of times is a power move by straight males. In this case you could use the master/slave metaphor. Not just black white but owner/property.
 
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