That's kind of the one fly in the ointment with this launch - while the enthusiast community are cheering the utter humiliation that Intel has just experienced, odds are most corporate buyers are still just blithely going to the Dell website and buying yet another Broadwell-based rack server, simply because they want something that has a reliable track record and will slot easily into their current set-up.Kudos to AMD for besting Intel in their own game. I just hope that corporate customers actually switch to AMD instead of waiting for Intel to counterpunch.
And the FUD has started,
Is AMD Rome burning?
https://fudzilla.com/news/pc-hardware/49183-is-amd-rome-burning
I will post the entire article for those that dont want to click to read it,
Whew. That is not pretty for Intel. And the hits just keep coming every year. Intel won't be able to defend themselves until 2021 (Sapphire Rapids), and that thing has to face off against Zen 4. I don't think Cooper Lake is going to help them much.
Tsk. That video's SO wrong.It is ok, a mighty rescuer or ace up in Intel sleeve arrives soon.
I would imagine more than a few procurement officers will be taking nice paid for vacations, or perhaps a shiny new car in the near future.That's kind of the one fly in the ointment with this launch - while the enthusiast community are cheering the utter humiliation that Intel has just experienced, odds are most corporate buyers are still just blithely going to the Dell website and buying yet another Broadwell-based rack server, simply because they want something that has a reliable track record and will slot easily into their current set-up.
$50,000 for the new Intel 9200 series 400 watt processor ? That still has all the security flaws ? And they have no idea how they are going to cool it ?It is ok, a mighty rescuer or ace up in Intel sleeve arrives soon.
I edited because I was talking about the wrong model. Let me put the list:You initially stated the 7252 was a 16c and I assumed that was correct. I'm not sure what seems to be confusing you but the core counts and cache make sense at each level to me. (I had it all laid out and the post got eaten)
That's impossible, we have our French ex-Intel that states:
With all the news, across the internet, that praise Epyc ... comments like those above, kinda stick out.
$50,000 for the new Intel 9200 series 400 watt processor ? That still has all the security flaws ? And they have no idea how they are going to cool it ?
As he says in that video, "Intels new Bulldozer moment" and things don't look good for Intel.
He has a point though about the output. In the athlon days AMD was simply supply limited. And given they have issue with supply here of 3900x I do question how big a dent they can make. Unless 3900x is limited due to clock speed (binning) are because high demand of Rome.
So he says that they could be as cheap as $25k. But what idiot would pay $25k for a CPU with 56 cores and that is slower than the 7k EPYC with 64 cores ? And the data center has to provide power and cooling for 400 watts instead of 225 watts ? Again the stupidity of Intel and the people that buy these hot power hungry monsters.Yes, or here is some more details.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/1418...inum-9200-cpu-intels-biggest-cpu-package-ever
So he says that they could be as cheap as $25k. But what idiot would pay $25k for a CPU with 56 cores and that is slower than the 7k EPYC with 64 cores ? And the data center has to provide power and cooling for 400 watts instead of 225 watts ? Again the stupidity of Intel and the people that buy these hot power hungry monsters.
I thought the benchmarks said that Rome does surprising good in AVX512 for a CPU without the special hardware ?The 56 core intel CPUs should perform significantly faster if you're running a lot of AVX512 code (which is very, very niche right now). There are a couple of other very niche applications where the intel will win. Usually those very very niche markets are used to paying absurd prices for products catered to them so the chip will find a home or two, but really it's more of a PR move than anything.
https://www.shopblt.com/cgi-bin/sho...6QP158P.shtml&order_id=214903134#Availability
Will be interesting to compare the above image in a couple of days to see if the past due and projected 8-10 delivery make a dent in the pre orders.
They do but only because of the massive lead in core count and decent clock advantage. A 56c Intel should be well more than competent against a 64c Rome in avx-512.I thought the benchmarks said that Rome does surprising good in AVX512 for a CPU without the special hardware ?
I thought the benchmarks said that Rome does surprising good in AVX512 for a CPU without the special hardware ?
Through sheer core count alone.I thought the benchmarks said that Rome does surprising good in AVX512 for a CPU without the special hardware ?
They do but only because of the massive lead in core count and decent clock advantage. A 56c Intel should be well more than competent against a 64c Rome in avx-512.
And the FUD has started,
The stupid part here is that desktop parts don't require 1.4v for anything except maybe single-core boost scenarios where current/power draw is so low that it can blow the doors of any voltage "recommendation" without damaging the chip or doing anything "hot". Rome doesn't even have boost frequencies that high. Did any of these idiots actually think, "hey, instead of FUDing, why don't we just do a voltage histogram on a Rome review sample and see what it really uses?".
They call themselves FUDzilla after all.If these FUDers researched before hand then I doubt they'd have and FUD fuel left. Makes sense that the professional FUDers just go with the FUD 1st policy.
HPE ProLiant DL385 Gen10, 2xAMD EPYC 7702, 2.0 GHz, 2S/128C/256T, 1024 GB, WS2019, MS SQL Server 2017 = 45,600 Users
For comparison:
HPE ProLiant DL385 Gen10, 2xAMD EPYC 7601, 2.2 GHz, 2S/64C/128T, 1024 GB, WS2012, MS SQL Server 2012 = 23,820 Users
HPE Proliant DL380 Gen10, 2xIntel Xeon Pt 8280L, 2.7 GHz, 2S/56C/112T, 768 GB, WS2016DE, MS SQL Server 2012 = 29,231 Users
Other OS/Db:
Dell EMC PowerEdge R740xd, 2xIntel Xeon Pt 8280, 2.7 GHz, 2S/56C/112T, 768 GB, SLES 15, SAP ASE 16 = 35,505 Users
Very expensive:
FUJITSU Server PRIMERGY RX4770 M5, 4xXeon Pt 8280, 2.7 GHz, 4S/112C/224T, 11536 GB (??? - mistake?) , WS2016DE, MS SQL Server 2012 = 57,500 Users
IBM Power System E980, 16xPOWER9, 3.9 GHz, 16S/192Cs/1536T, 8192 GB, AIX 7.2, Db2 10.5 = 205,000 Users
Fujitsu SPARC M10-4S, 32xSPARC64 X+, 3.7 GHz, 32S/512C/1024T, 8192 GB, Solaris 11, Oracle 12c = 153,050 Users
Yep. For some reason those numbers is not discussed much.stolen line for line form realworld tech:
https://www.sap.com/dmc/exp/2018-benchmark-directory/#/sd?id=5e123370-56ea-419a-bf99-af36d4622391