OK, I have 8 7950x's, and no problems with any of them. How is this such a big issue ?????Guess AMD has put their internal validation team on the enterprise products and cheaply outsourcing client validation to third world countries. If people were returning their AM5 mobos in droves, they would take it seriously but apparently, the AMD loyal crowd is too patient and too excited to use their products to care about annoying quirks.
A part of me really wants a Zen 5 system but the thought of booting up my pc and waiting 45 seconds to get told there is no keyboard detected so I have to stick my hand through a bunch of cables and turn around my case resulting in my router falling off my desk to unplug the keyboard isn’t appealing.To be honest the whole AM5/X670E platform feels like a beta product. As much as I like AMD CPUs, their platforms have never been as robust and solid as the Intel ones for me. Apparently the 1.0.0.8 fixes this issue for a lot of people.
For sure. It’s in the Goldilocks zone of not being bad enough to force a resolution and not solid enough to avoid annoying a minority of customers.I have no USB issues to speak of on AM4 or AM5, so I guess YMMV?
You are not a typical user. No offense. You boot up your machines and get their CPUs working on stuff. You don't tinker with them enough. When I was trying out different timings on my Z790 mobo, I got it locked up bad only once where I had to unplug the PSU, plug it back in a minute later and it booted. On AM5, I've heard you need to reset the BIOS by shorting the jumper pins if memory timings don't work. That would feel very limiting and annoying and it would drive me crazy. I will try an AMD mobo at some point I'm sure (already have a B450 that I haven't turned on yet) but reading about people having issues when Zen 5 is nearing launch, just tells me that AMD doesn't have its best engineers working on AM5.OK, I have 8 7950x's, and no problems with any of them. How is this such a big issue ?????
Becuase I use EXPO memory. It works every time. If you want to screw around and things don't work, why blame AMD ????? Either user 4800 (or 5200) whatever is supposed to be stock or EXPO memory.You are not a typical user. No offense. You boot up your machines and get their CPUs working on stuff. You don't tinker with them enough. When I was trying out different timings on my Z790 mobo, I got it locked up bad only once where I had to unplug the PSU, plug it back in a minute later and it booted. On AM5, I've heard you need to reset the BIOS by shorting the jumper pins if memory timings don't work. That would feel very limiting and annoying and it would drive me crazy. I will try an AMD mobo at some point I'm sure (already have a B450 that I haven't turned on yet) but reading about people having issues when Zen 5 is nearing launch, just tells me that AMD doesn't have its best engineers working on AM5.
I don't have AMD experience. Yet. I was just commenting on what I've read and it doesn't inspire much confidence. AMD makes excellent CPUs. They need to figure out the chipset part too, preferably BEFORE launching them. Stock memory? Where's the fun in that? But maybe that's what I will end up with anyway if I go with V-cache in future where tuning RAM doesn't make much sense anyway. Still, I have time. My next upgrade should be in 2026 or 2027, assuming I don't upgrade the B450 with a 5900X3D that AMD finally releases on AM4 and then maybe my upgrade plans would get delayed to 2028.If you want to screw around and things don't work, why blame AMD ?????
Stock memory OR EXPO approved memory.anything else is not their fault. EXPO is approved overclocked memory. What more do you want ?I don't have AMD experience. Yet. I was just commenting on what I've read and it doesn't inspire much confidence. AMD makes excellent CPUs. They need to figure out the chipset part too, preferably BEFORE launching them. Stock memory? Where's the fun in that? But maybe that's what I will end up with anyway if I go with V-cache in future where tuning RAM doesn't make much sense anyway. Still, I have time. My next upgrade should be in 2026 or 2027, assuming I don't upgrade the B450 with a 5900X3D that AMD finally releases on AM4 and then maybe my upgrade plans would get delayed to 2028.
I wouldn’t let this stuff stop you from buying an AM5 system. Odds are it’ll work perfectly fine. In the event that it doesn’t in majority of cases A) it’s an annoyance and not a major problem and B) there’s usually a workaround or an AGESA update that will solve it in time.I don't have AMD experience. Yet. I was just commenting on what I've read and it doesn't inspire much confidence. AMD makes excellent CPUs. They need to figure out the chipset part too, preferably BEFORE launching them. Stock memory? Where's the fun in that? But maybe that's what I will end up with anyway if I go with V-cache in future where tuning RAM doesn't make much sense anyway. Still, I have time. My next upgrade should be in 2026 or 2027, assuming I don't upgrade the B450 with a 5900X3D that AMD finally releases on AM4 and then maybe my upgrade plans would get delayed to 2028.
It does seem to me that when launching a new platform, that AMD's QC is not as good as Intel, but where we are now, I don' t have the feeling that AM5 is worse than LGA1700.Good to hear the positive experiences. However, this just a month old:
The fact that someone needed to ask that question is telling.
Contrast that with this thread, also one month old:
So maybe Intel users are just too lazy to relate their bad experiences on Reddit?
I think board specific. My ASROCK Z790 would just reboot on unsuccessful timings and then a message would pop up saying that the previous boot failed and asked if I wanted to load default values. Only once when I got too ambitious that the mobo seemed to go dead. I thought the worst had happened and I blew something on the mobo (happened on an AOpen mobo with overclocking a Sempron many years ago). But thankfully, switching the PSU to off for a minute revived the system and I got the same boot failure + load default values message back.So either Intel doesn't reset the system automatically or this is a board specific feature. Perhaps some mobo manufacturers have this built in and not others?
Yes. I think it was someone on this forum. Maybe @eek2121? Because he has a mini-ITX case and he hated having to reset manually in that cramped case? Again, I could be mistaken.I seem to recall someone mentioning that one of the things they didn't like with AM5 was that the system had to be manually reset instead of doing it on it's own if the system wasn't stable.
Uhm... When somebody wants a cramped case *and* wants to overclock, they should think of plugging a simple jumper extension cable or one of those motherboard reset switch cables onto the clear-CMOS jumper, and put the end of that extension/ that switch at some place in the case where they can easily reach it.Because he has a mini-ITX case and he hated having to reset manually in that cramped case?
Imagine someone coming from an Intel mobo where they rarely had to do a CMOS reset and suddenly they now have to do it after every memory timing tightening failure? Out of reach or within reach, that would still be annoying. But as I said before, I don't know if there are AM5 mobos that are able to automatically recover after a bad memory timing change. I'm admittedly speaking from ignorance and would love to know which AM5 mobo brands to keep at the top of my list for hassle-free operation (other than expensive $300+ mobos).It doesn't make a lot of sense to me to first put the clear-CMOS jumper out of reach, and then overclock.
All boards have this feature on modern platforms. You can even set how many times it tries to post before it resets back to safe defaults. Turning this into a blue vs red argument is silly. As @Justinus correctly pointed out it's a matter of how bad the settings are borked whether or not the feature will work regardless of platform. Again, this isn't unique to AM5. That's a false narrative that you've created based on hearsay.Imagine someone coming from an Intel mobo where they rarely had to do a CMOS reset and suddenly they now have to do it after every memory timing tightening failure? Out of reach or within reach, that would still be annoying. But as I said before, I don't know if there are AM5 mobos that are able to automatically recover after a bad memory timing change. I'm admittedly speaking from ignorance and would love to know which AM5 mobo brands to keep at the top of my list for hassle-free operation (other than expensive $300+ mobos).
Perhaps, but they could be annoyed about themselves, then improve on the situation.Imagine someone coming from [...another system...] where they rarely had to do a CMOS reset and suddenly they now have to do it after every memory timing tightening failure? Out of reach or within reach, that would still be annoying.
Did you even read this short thread you linked? There are complaints of coil whine, ram, and stability issues all within those few responses. You need to stop with the FUD.Contrast that with this thread, also one month old:
So maybe Intel users are just too lazy to relate their bad experiences on Reddit?