Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

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Joe NYC

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Which in that case the 8 cores on single CCD of Zen 5 with supposedly superior IPC an other performance uplift (clock speeds IMC for better DDR5 speeds) better be ore than enough for future CPU intensive games and soon to be released ones with RTX 5090 and beyond and the per core performance and IPC uplift is more than enough cause I will stick with single CCD 8 core design.

Strix Halo is going to be an APU with very hefty iGPU (and pricey). It would be crazy to use it with external dGPU.

It's really intended for laptop and perhaps MiniPCs. Not a desktop.
 

Wolverine2349

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Strix Halo is going to be an APU with very hefty iGPU (and pricey). It would be crazy to use it with external dGPU.

It's really intended for laptop and perhaps MiniPCs. Not a desktop.


Not going to get STrix Halo. RTX cards are so superior and want the regular superior Zen 5 part for best in class gaming performance.

Strix Halo good if you wat less than 4K and budget GPU and no dedicated GPU and better than what we have had gaming perf with no dedicated GPU. But still a dedicated GPU from NVIDIA 2000 or 3000 series and above will spank integrated Stix Halo. Let alone 4000 series +
 

Wolverine2349

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Well you don't.
NUCA is fine.

What is NUCA?

I can get 8 cores on one CCD which should be more than enough as games while not isngle thrreaded do not seem ot scale well beyond 6-8 cores and 6-8 much fatser cores trumps 10-16 slower cores. And 8 Zen 5 cores X3D variant should spank 7950X3D and if performance uplift rumors are accurate should have close to same raw compute power at only half core count.
 

Wolverine2349

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Just for a laugh, can you tell me what Games™ require all that hardware? And for what framerate?

CyberPunk, Starfield, TLOU Part 1, Red Dead Redemption 2, Spiderman Remastered at max or near maxed out settings for 4K at 80 to 120 FPS and sometimes even then you struggle especially if ray tracing is on with even an RTX 4090.

Like seriously you want to try and tell me high end hardware is useless for high tier gaming at maxed out settings in 4K when sometimes an RTX 4090 cannot even drive that.

For low resolutions like 1080P and below and modest framerates and medium settings than yeah.
 

Mahboi

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CyberPunk, Starfield, TLOU Part 1, Red Dead Redemption 2, Spiderman Remastered at max or near maxed out settings for 4K at 80 to 120 FPS and sometimes even then you struggle especially if ray tracing is on with even an RTX 4090.
Solo RPG
Solo RPG
Solo RPG
Solo Action game that runs on 4K Ultra + RT at 90 fps average with a 4090 + 5800x3D

"InEEEEEeeDD 465 fPS FormY Ggheymeeeing Xpayrienssssss"
Like seriously you want to try and tell me high end hardware is useless for high tier gaming at maxed out settings in 4K when sometimes an RTX 4090 cannot even drive that.
I don't want to tell you anything. I want this stupid AAA industry to finally crash so I won't have to read this drivel any longer. Poor devs up in those game studios. You don't deserve them.
 

Wolverine2349

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Solo RPG
Solo RPG
Solo RPG
Solo Action game that runs on 4K Ultra + RT at 90 fps average with a 4090 + 5800x3D

"InEEEEEeeDD 465 fPS FormY Ggheymeeeing Xpayrienssssss"

I don't want to tell you anything. I want this stupid AAA industry to finally crash so I won't have to read this drivel any longer. Poor devs up in those game studios. You don't deserve them.

How would we get good games if AAA game industry crashed?

How is it poor devs. RDR2 has some of the best graphics ever that look life like.

Solo RPG games are good and fun to play with the story lines.
 

Mahboi

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How would we get good games if AAA game industry crashed?
Factorio says hi.
Yes the Factory speaks. If you haven't reached that point yet, try harder.
How is it poor devs. RDR2 has some of the best graphics ever that look life like.
And you don't deserve them.
Solo RPG games are good and fun to play with the story lines.
And you don't even understand what I'm saying so bye.
 

Wolverine2349

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none of them are good but that's besides the point.

The only good one in recent memory is BG3 and that one runs in just about anything.


Even the other ones can run in just about anything its just you have to turn down settings and not as good of graphics.

Its about requirements to get best graphics at decent smooth framerates having to max out settings to get most realistic looking. Not that lower settings are bad looking but higher settings look better. RTX 4090 then 5090. Greatness.
 

adroc_thurston

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Its about requirements to get best graphics at decent smooth framerates having to max out settings to get most realistic looking. Not that lower settings are bad looking but higher settings look better. RTX 4090 then 5090. Greatness.
Are you all vat-grown?
All gamer™ kids talk like NV non-technical marketing. Wild.
 

Mahboi

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PCMR™ moment.
In 2035 they'll be yapping about the Good Old Times before FSR 8 started disappointing with its 4000 FPS with a 2500mm² GPU on top of a 32 core Zen 9.

Edit: sometimes it's so damn refreshing to play with non-nerd friends and they're like "I'm FPS agnostic so I don't care, I just wanna enjoy the game".
It's the reason I don't wanna hear arguments about "your CPU is bottlenecking your GPU so bad...", yes it is, and I'm playing happily on this PC so stop trying to push your unnecessary optimisations on a guy that has yet to find a real complaint.
 
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Wolverine2349

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PCMR™ moment.

Yes I am tired of ones hijackings this thread about how Stix is all that is needed or desired for gaming when the topic is Zen 5 arch and how much better it wil be then Zen 4 X3D and vanilla and ability to drive RTX 4090 then RTX 5090.

No one ever asked for any opinion to be welcome about how dedicated GPUs for high tier gaming are not needed and the hatred for AAA games. That is not the topic.

The topic is Zen 5 and how it will do compared to prior gen Zen 4 and that can involve its IPC and clocks and memory bandwidth and overall performance and also its X3D variants and vanilla variants and how its per core performance will drive high end GPUs like RTX 4090 and upcoming 5090 both vanilla and X3D compared to Zen 4 X3D.

No one cares about the opinion on AAA game industry and trying to downplay the want for high end video cards when ones very interested in Zen 5 have high end video cards and want to know how well Zen 5 8 core CCD vanilla and next X3D will compare to Zen 4 Z3D for an upcoming RTX 5090.
 
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Wolverine2349

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It's not a real market, it exists to pad client GM% and not by much.
Just don't.

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It most certainly is a real market. And there are desktops from Dell and Alienware that have the high end hardware available to buy without DIY that has RTX 4090s and 7800X3Ds so yes its very much a real market for high end GPUs and CPUs and 4K gaming and that is not DIY either!!
 
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adroc_thurston

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It most certainly is a real market. And there are desktops from Dell and Alienware that have the high end hardware available to buy without DIY that has RTX 4090s and 7800X3Ds so yes its very much a real market for high end GPUs and CPUs and 4K gaming and that is not DIY either!!
It's not a real market, miserable units really.
Intel desktop segment is mostly OEM office boxes.
AMD basically doesn't have DT revenue.
 
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