If that's the case the PS5 Pro sounds DOA
PS5 Pro won't be $500, probably more like $800 and at that point the hardcore gamers who would have paid that kind of price for the exclusives will just play those on PC. I don't buy that casuals are going to pay that kind of money for the Pro console.PC gaming is exploding in popularity, but there are many people who aren't interested and many (most?) of those who are PC gamers don't want to hook a PC up to their TV for various reasons. If a PS5 Pro underperforms, I don't think it will be because of PC gaming.
No price cuts are coming. Hell Sony increased the price of the PS5 with the Slim by making you buy a $30 stand if you want it to sit well vertically in addition to an outright $50 price bump on the digital edition. Microsoft buying Call of Duty basically kills the loss leader console model for Sony.Mid-gen refreshes should 100% be about reducing power and temps, and bringing out a cheaper (for both consumer and manufacturer) console.
Ideally this console has a smaller footprint and updated styling (on account of lower power and temps).
Bring in the folks sitting on the sidelines while not bifurcating your player base/devs with different performance targets.
If there is one thing anyone walks away from this generation with, it's to never shoot themselves in the dick right out of the gate the way MS did with the Xbox Series S.
PS5 Pro won't be $500, probably more like $800 and at that point the hardcore gamers who would have paid that kind of price for the exclusives will just play those on PC. I don't buy that casuals are going to pay that kind of money for the Pro console.
I don't see it anywhere near that cheap if it has any meaningful improvement in gpu.It won't be $800 but it's probably $600 without the drive.
That is me right there. I have zero interest in PC gaming. There is nothing on PC that I want to play that isn't on PS5. And there are a lot of games on Switch that don't make it to PC that I want to play.PC gaming is exploding in popularity, but there are many people who aren't interested and many (most?) of those who are PC gamers don't want to hook a PC up to their TV for various reasons. If a PS5 Pro underperforms, I don't think it will be because of PC gaming.
I don't see it anywhere near that cheap if it has any meaningful improvement in gpu.
Don't see the point of a cpu upgrade. Even if Zen 2 is weak by modern standards it's still plenty to keep almost any AAA game strongly gpu bound.It could very well be underwhelming. The memory bandwidth increase is not much and it could really use Zen 4 instead of Zen 2.
My expectation is PS5 Pro will be too expensive to appeal to most console buyers, but PC gamers are already used to selling a kidney to pay for gaming hardware. But if you can get the Playstation exclusives on PC I'd expect most who'd be in the PS5 Pro target market to just play on PC instead.That is me right there. I have zero interest in PC gaming. There is nothing on PC that I want to play that isn't on PS5. And there are a lot of games on Switch that don't make it to PC that I want to play.
There is a hard concept for some people to grasp that just because it looks the best on PC doesn't mean it looks bad on consoles. I play games on a 10 foot screen in 1080p and I've never really had any issues with graphics not being good enough, unless I put something in fidelity mode and it drops the framerate. But I play everything i performance mode because framerate is more important and games still look fantastic.
After my Atari 2600 and 800xl days I went to early PC gaming as the games I wanted to play or that interested me was on computers. The NES had some good stuff but nothing could come close to Sierra online or Lucasfilm games at the time. I have owned and still own pretty much every console and have always been a heavy gamer on both PC and consoles. But, when the PS5 came out and had the games I like and the exclusives I like I primarily play on the PS5. I still played graphic intensive games on the PC then all that stupid raytracing shit came out and MS xbox sucked to me as I think their exclusives suck.PC gaming is exploding in popularity, but there are many people who aren't interested and many (most?) of those who are PC gamers don't want to hook a PC up to their TV for various reasons. If a PS5 Pro underperforms, I don't think it will be because of PC gaming.
I'm not in the market for a PS5 Pro personally. There isn't one PS5 game I've played and thought "this game runs like ass I wish it had more power."My expectation is PS5 Pro will be too expensive to appeal to most console buyers, but PC gamers are already used to selling a kidney to pay for gaming hardware. But if you can get the Playstation exclusives on PC I'd expect most who'd be in the PS5 Pro target market to just play on PC instead.
The PS4 Pro was the same $400 the original PS4 was because of a big cost per transistor decrease on the shrink from the 28nm lithography of the PS4 to the 16nm lithography of the PS4 Slim/Pro. Those aren't happening now and the PS5 Slim is only on a 6nm lithography vs the 7nm of the original PS5. PS5 Slim actually got a price bump of $50 for the digital edition and a stealth price bump of $30 for not having a vertical stand anymore. There isn't big cost per transistor savings anymore from shrinks to smaller lithography and the shrinks also take way longer; it's why Microsoft released the Series S immediately, because they figured there would never be a time the could sell the Series X at $300 since cost per transistor wasn't forecast to drop significantly again in the lifetime of the console. If the PS5 Pro is going to have a significantly bigger gpu it's going to cost significantly more with no drop in cost per transistor.I'm not in the market for a PS5 Pro personally. There isn't one PS5 game I've played and thought "this game runs like ass I wish it had more power."
Why are you also assuming that it will cost $300 more than the current PS5? I haven't really heard anything about it so I don't know much about it. But I know the PS4 Pro (if I recall) was only $50more than normal PS4 prices right?
PS4 Pro had a gpu at least twice as fast as the original PS4, as it was put out to encourage people to buy more 4k TVs from Sony. PS4 Pro games often ran at 1800p vs the 1080p of the base PS4, though stuck at 30 fps because of the massive cpu bottleneck the PS4 Pro had.I really don't think it will be a huge improvement in the PS5 pro department for it to warrant costing that much more. Most folks didn't get the PS4 pro and it only really helped out towards the end of the PS4 generation when the more demanding titles came out and you could see the little bit of performance improvements for loading and higher textures.
I mostly play on PC now anyway and I'm one that will not mind paying for the highest tier GPU to play at 4k with all the horsepower. I also use it for flying and VR.
I can't say if I would want the PS5 pro anyway...as long as my current PS5 which I have not turned on in months no longer works. There really have not been any titles warranting extra horsepower. Unless the whole thing with the pro will be oh look now you can have ray tracing without dips in frames.
Don't see the point of a cpu upgrade. Even if Zen 2 is weak by modern standards it's still plenty to keep almost any AAA game strongly gpu bound.
Only AAA PS5 game I can think of that's likely cpu bound targeting 60 fps on the system is Baldur's Gate 3. GPU is only like an RX 6700 non XT and you have games like FFXVI that get dropped to 720p render resolution to be able to hit 60 fps (in combat).I am thinking the opposite TBH. I think it would need the extra CPU power to help round out the performance. And assuming it doesn't have any Infinity Cache it's going to be massively bandwidth starved.
About 15 minutes into the game and the control feels kind of floaty. I'll play it for real later tonight or maybe tomorrow when I'm not pissed off about dying a 20th time in a row to Elizabeth in Persona 3 Reload lol. Guess I'll only do the first part and skip the second since the first part is the beginning of the base game. Reviews for the full game are supposed to drop tomorrow morning, which is encouraging since studios don't usually let reviews drop a week early for games they're not expecting to get glowing reviews. If they're good I'll probably buy this digital since it comes with Intergrade if you preorder and then I could sell my physical copy lol.Square says they are going to include a fix for Performance Mode in the Rebirth Demo update on the 21st. I'm guessing it's not going to do much about the low texture resolution tho.
Also, we’re pleased to share that we are currently testing the ability for PS VR2 players to access additional games on PC to offer even more game variety in addition to the PS VR2 titles available through PS5. We hope to make this support available in 2024, so stay tuned for more updates.
They are currently testing PS VR2 for PC...
Coming soon to PS VR2 – Zombie Army VR, Little Cities: Bigger!, Wanderer: The Fragments of Fate, The Wizards – Dark Times: Brotherhood, and more
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Too little too late, PSVR 2 is deadThey are currently testing PS VR2 for PC...
Coming soon to PS VR2 – Zombie Army VR, Little Cities: Bigger!, Wanderer: The Fragments of Fate, The Wizards – Dark Times: Brotherhood, and more
Also Arizona Sunshine 2 free update released, new details on Soul Covenant.blog.playstation.com
Get it at Gamestop with a $1 game like say Battlefront on PS4 and it's $226 before tax thanks to Gamestop's $25 off $250 or more.Quest 2 at $250 is finally at a price/performance where I feel comfortable dipping my toes into VR without feeling like I'm spending/giving up too much for the potential disappointment.